Manchester United

[The Fountain]

2 minutes ago, Froggy said:

Wew lots of posts in here today. Enjoying yourselves lads? 

It's been canny weekend.

[Big Geordie]

5 minutes ago, Froggy said:

Wew lots of posts in here today. Enjoying yourselves lads? 

 

Club in decline, bonny lad.

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, Big Geordie said:

 

Club in decline, bonny lad.

 

Give it time son. 

[McDog]

Just now, Froggy said:

 

Give it time son. 

 

 

5 year plan?

[alexf]

8 minutes ago, Froggy said:

Wew lots of posts in here today. Enjoying yourselves lads? 

Haven't seen the other posts but I'm sure it's still early days, in the same way we still struggled for a period when Howe first came in. Difference is our expectations are vastly different to Man United, especially also the media's expectations. So you know it's gonna be 10x harder for the new fella to ride out this difficult season before his ideas and own players get embedded. 

 

However with my Newcastle hat on, I hope to fuck it gets worse for you, including fingers crossed when we go to old trafford soon and also for the foreseeable.  sorry. 

[Froggy]

4 minutes ago, McDog said:

5 year plan?

 

[BoSelecta]

Schtick to de plan.

[Froggy]

42 minutes ago, alexf said:

Haven't seen the other posts but I'm sure it's still early days, in the same way we still struggled for a period when Howe first came in. Difference is our expectations are vastly different to Man United, especially also the media's expectations. So you know it's gonna be 10x harder for the new fella to ride out this difficult season before his ideas and own players get embedded. 

 

However with my Newcastle hat on, I hope to fuck it gets worse for you, including fingers crossed when we go to old trafford soon and also for the foreseeable.  sorry. 

 

We're all good. When we were picking up wins in Ten Hag's latter seasons we weren't deserving of them. The performances were rarely there. 

 

We're performing a lot better now, even if the results aren't there yet. 

[Joelinton7]

4 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

We're all good. When we were picking up wins in Ten Hag's latter seasons we weren't deserving of them. The performances were rarely there. 

 

We're performing a lot better now, even if the results aren't there yet. 

Miss the game today? 

[Froggy]

8 minutes ago, Joelinton7 said:

Miss the game today? 

 

I did not. Unlike the 0-3 last season, we were the better side today. 

 

You have to think we'll start taking these chances. Maybe not of course, but usually if you're dominating games and creating chance after chance, it comes good eventually. 

 

Feel like Newcastle fans should be able to relate to that.  

[Joelinton7]

6 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

I did not. Unlike the 0-3 last season, we were the better side today. 

 

You have to think we'll start taking these chances. Maybe not of course, but usually if you're dominating games and creating chance after chance, it comes good eventually. 

 

Feel like Newcastle fans should be able to relate to that.  

I didn’t think Bournemouth had to do much for their win. Felt like if you scored, you’d shoot yourselves in the foot 2 mins later and Bournemouth would just score again. Zirkzee is a non-entity, as is Ugarte. Just constant unforced errors. Onana takes half an hour to make a pass. Your players are chasing shadows most of the time, so far off the pace. Unfortunately you’ll probably raise your game v us.

[mouldy_uk]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

Wew lots of posts in here today. Enjoying yourselves lads? 

[Froggy]

5 minutes ago, Joelinton7 said:

I didn’t think Bournemouth had to do much for their win. Felt like if you scored, you’d shoot yourselves in the foot 2 mins later and Bournemouth would just score again. Zirkzee is a non-entity, as is Ugarte. Just constant unforced errors. Onana takes half an hour to make a pass. Your players are chasing shadows most of the time, so far off the pace. Unfortunately you’ll probably raise your game v us.

 

Bournemouth had to rely on us missing the best chances of the game. It's usually the other way around for us. That's what's encouraging and why there's no panic. Nobody expected an overnight fix anyway. 

 

Ugarte has been unreal as well. Not sure you're appreciating that side of the game or if you just don't watch us, which is fair. 

 

Only thing I agree with you on is Zirkzee. I don't think he has what it takes at all, certainly not as a #9. Hojlund all day every day in that role for me.

[Froggy]

 

[bobbydazzla]

23 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

I did not. Unlike the 0-3 last season, we were the better side today. 

 

You have to think we'll start taking these chances. Maybe not of course, but usually if you're dominating games and creating chance after chance, it comes good eventually. 

 

Feel like Newcastle fans should be able to relate to that.  

You’ve looked properly shit every time I’ve watched you, including today

 

[Joelinton7]

14 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Bournemouth had to rely on us missing the best chances of the game. It's usually the other way around for us. That's what's encouraging and why there's no panic. Nobody expected an overnight fix anyway. 

 

Ugarte has been unreal as well. Not sure you're appreciating that side of the game or if you just don't watch us, which is fair. 

 

Only thing I agree with you on is Zirkzee. I don't think he has what it takes at all, certainly not as a #9. Hojlund all day every day in that role for me.

It just looks like you play exactly the same way as you did under EtH. Passing side to side in the final third, then back to Onana with no ability to break a side down mixed with catastrophic defensive lapses and a very hot and cold goalkeeper. The only bright lights being Fernandes and Amad.

 

You’ll say these things take time but these players had time under EtH. Years of it. They weren’t capable of playing any other way, or they refused to. I just don’t see it changing. Added to this Amorim isn’t exactly the most inspiring of managers on the touchline. Staring at the ground and what have you. 

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Joelinton7

[Froggy]

5 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

You’ve looked properly shit every time I’ve watched you, including today

 

You don't see the bigger picture Bobby son. No offence. You were questioning Howe a couple of weeks ago off the back of a couple of bad results. 

 

If you've been watching us and haven't seen any good performances under Amorim, you're either blinded by hate or just don't know ball bro. Thankfully for you I'm going to stick you in the first category. 

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, Joelinton7 said:

It just looks like you play exactly the same way as you did under EtH.

 

 

Howe and Bruce pretty similar too tbf. 

[Joelinton7]

2 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

 

Howe and Bruce pretty similar too tbf. 

I’m not saying RA is a bad manager. There’s just something about your club, those players… I just can’t see much changing from the last manager. I think a lot of your players fear playing at OT. They’ll pull their fingers out once every 6 games or something just to keep their heads above water and then revert to type, this has been happening for years now.
 

There’s no consistency, no identity. With Howe and us we have a very clear identity and it comes from EH. There’s a lot of disconnect at your club and it shows. Probably starts with the Glazers and Ratcliffe from the outside at least has been an absolute clown show. I mean the less said about the Ashworth situation the better

[Astroblack]

49 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Bournemouth had to rely on us missing the best chances of the game. It's usually the other way around for us. That's what's encouraging and why there's no panic. Nobody expected an overnight fix anyway. 

 

Ugarte has been unreal as well. Not sure you're appreciating that side of the game or if you just don't watch us, which is fair. 

 

Only thing I agree with you on is Zirkzee. I don't think he has what it takes at all, certainly not as a #9. Hojlund all day every day in that role for me.

Ugarte - unreal? I’m telling you, that guy is your Vurnon Anita. Boxes himself into positions where he can’t receive the ball and never ever shows for it. Compare him to someone like Lavia for instance who always wants the ball, Skelly for Arsenal yesterday hopping backwards with his eyes on the ball and play at all times. I watched him closely during Copa America, he’s a nothing player. I think he said it himself, he’s there to win the ball back. Offers nothing in possession so the three center back just pass it around to themselves and Ugarte runs further and further away from the ball. Don’t think he’s Kante, he ain’t Kante. 
 

I watched him in the Forest game. Infuriating. He did get some what of an assist but only when the ball was played into him first time. He didn’t know what was going. He avoids all responsibility. Gibbs White on the other hand was always showing, screaming for the ball, passing and moving. My brother supports Man U so we watched the game together and I could not believe how this guy would directly place himself in between four opposing players and not even try to get out. Really weird. 

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Astroblack

[Froggy]

8 minutes ago, Astroblack said:

Ugarte - unreal? I’m telling you, that guy is your Vurnon Anita. Boxes himself into positions where he can’t receive the ball and never ever shows for it. Compare him to someone like Lavia for instance who always wants the ball, Skelly for Arsenal yesterday hopping backwards with his eyes on the ball and play at all times. I watched him closely during Copa America, he’s a nothing player. I think he said it himself, he’s there to win the ball back. Offers nothing in possession so the three center back just pass it around to themselves and Ugarte runs further and further away from the ball. Don’t think he’s Kante, Kante shows, this guy hides. 

 

Aye you've just described the opposite of Ugarte under Amorim. he's been everywhere for us. 

 

Get Bobby to get the stats for you. He loves stats. 

 

No idea what he was like in the Copa America and I don't care. 

[bobbydazzla]

5 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Aye you've just described the opposite of Ugarte under Amorim. he's been everywhere for us. 

 

Get Bobby to get the stats for you. He loves stats. 

 

No idea what he was like in the Copa America and I don't care. 

[Astroblack]

7 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Aye you've just described the opposite of Ugarte under Amorim. he's been everywhere for us. 

 

Get Bobby to get the stats for you. He loves stats. 

 

No idea what he was like in the Copa America and I don't care. 

How about this for a stat, in the 100 or so league games he’s played in Europe, he’s never scored a goal. That’s Vurnon Anita Gavin McCann levels of nothingness. That’s who’ve you’ve signed.   

[Geordie Ahmed]

37 minutes ago, Joelinton7 said:

I’m not saying RA is a bad manager. There’s just something about your club, those players… I just can’t see much changing from the last manager. I think a lot of your players fear playing at OT. They’ll pull their fingers out once every 6 games or something just to keep their heads above water and then revert to type, this has been happening for years now.
 

There’s no consistency, no identity. With Howe and us we have a very clear identity and it comes from EH. There’s a lot of disconnect at your club and it shows. Probably starts with the Glazers and Ratcliffe from the outside at least has been an absolute clown show. I mean the less said about the Ashworth situation the better

 

That's a fair assessment of Man U but it's unfair to apply that to Amorim, he's only been in the job 2 minutes

 

Now, I would love nothing more than for him to flop badly but it's wait too early to be making judgements on him

 

He needs time and whether the fans/media accept it he'll use this as a sussing out season and then use the transfer window to start bringing in what he needs

[OverThere]

2 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

Give it time son. 

Sounds like something Brexit Jim would say. 15 years later and everyone will still be waiting.