Manchester United

[gjohnson]

4 minutes ago, Kimbo said:

[Holloway]

they looked much more potent with 46 year old Cavani

[r0cafella]

6 minutes ago, Sima said:

Remember when they were heavily linked with Kane  

 

Ended up with Hojlund which is similar to us starting Osula every game.

 

 

 

70m Orsula is a big yikes. We overpaid for Isak though. 

[Sima]

Just now, r0cafella said:

70m Orsula is a big yikes. We overpaid for Isak though. 

 

Martial the better deal imo.

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, Sima said:

 

Martial the better deal imo.

[alexf]

Didn't want to jinx it before the game so wasn't hyping our chances, but knew if we turned up we are the far superior team at the moment. 

 

But almost had to pinch myself in that first half at times. It was like men against boys. The dominance in midfield of Tonali and Bruno. When was the last time anyone can remember us going to old Trafford and looking that superior in a league match. 

 

It was a shame we didn't really put them to the sword earlier on, as it should have been 4 or 5. 

 

They did improve once Mainoo came on, not sure if it was a combo of having more bodies in the middle, or if we backed off and were conserving energy. 

 

What I do know is if we gift the chances we did tonight to Spurs, we might get undone. 

 

But they are in a bad way Man U. If they want to pick up results they are going to have to change system until they sign more players.

 

Did enjoy the Neville crying throughout though. He and all their fans don't have a clue about suffering. I hope it continues long into the foreseeable.

 

 

Edited December 31, 2024 by alexf

[Mike]

56 minutes ago, BlueStar said:

 

 

 

The "Howe to Man U" machine is whirring into action.

[Conjo]

The arrogance of Amorim to expect a midfield two of Eriksen and Casemiro in 2024 to have any chance at all against prime Bruno, Joelinton and Tonali

 

Although I appreciate his honesty in interviews, and he seems a genuinely lovely guy, it can't be very inspiring for his players to hear him cuck himself and the team in interviews 2 times a week.

[Abacus]

23 minutes ago, Mike said:

 

The "Howe to Man U" machine is whirring into action.

 

Indeed, one of the managers Ashworth apparently recommended and which then promptly got him sacked.

[r0cafella]

Makes me wonder if Ineos actually asked him what he could achieve this season with the squad they have. 

[Zero]

It does look like a war between Amorim and the players. “I would not change, you all gotta listen to me and follow my instructions or let’s die together”

[Froggy]

8 hours ago, Infinitely Content said:

@Froggy what do you make of the Zirkzee situation, has he really been that bad? For all of the jest, I actually think Man United fans are generally very patient with both players and managers, especially in comparison to Arsenal for instance, so I was somewhat surprised to hear the reaction to him being taken off. Felt a bit sorry for him to be honest.

 

He's not good enough, but thought that was a bit of a joke to be honest. For how shite he is, at least he tries.

[Charlies]

Remember those kids in school who “supported” them for weird reasons like Beckhams hair. 
 

Wey fuck all them  glory hunting cunts 

[KingArthur]

The whole situation with Amorim and 3-4-3 seems a bit ridiculous. Clearly these players are not suitable for that system, but he decides to stick with it anyway. Surely the manager should first look what he has, and after that decide the formation? Now it seems like he is pushing square pieces to rounds holes and hoping it works. 

 

Defending has improved, but my god the attacking is woeful. Hoping for set piece goal.

[Froggy]

7 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

The whole situation with Amorim and 3-4-3 seems a bit ridiculous. Clearly these players are not suitable for that system, but he decides to stick with it anyway. Surely the manager should first look what he has, and after that decide the formation? Now it seems like he is pushing square pieces to rounds holes and hoping it works. 

 

Defending has improved, but my god the attacking is woeful. Hoping for set piece goal.

 

Like he said in his interview last night, he's there because the team was losing and the previous manager was sacked. Now people want him to go back to that system that got the previous manager sacked? He needs to stick to his idea and see who's going to be playing for him next season.

 

Eriksen and Casemiro are fourth and fifth choice midfielders for us. They never really had any hope against a strong midfield that was bang in form, and the formation wouldn't really have mattered. Game shifted when Mainoo came on, but the damage was already done.

[KaKa]

5 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Like he said in his interview last night, he's there because the team was losing and the previous manager was sacked. Now people want him to go back to that system that got the previous manager sacked? He needs to stick to his idea and see who's going to be playing for him next season.

 

Eriksen and Casemiro are fourth and fifth choice midfielders for us. They never really had any hope against a strong midfield that was bang in form, and the formation wouldn't really have mattered. Game shifted when Mainoo came on, but the damage was already done.

 

Mainoo started alongside Ugarte against both Bournemouth and Wolves though, and it didn't make a difference.

 

I think we had taken our foot of the gas by the time Mainoo came on. He really wasn't some sort of game changer.

 

 

[WilliamPS]

21 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

The whole situation with Amorim and 3-4-3 seems a bit ridiculous. Clearly these players are not suitable for that system, but he decides to stick with it anyway. Surely the manager should first look what he has, and after that decide the formation? Now it seems like he is pushing square pieces to rounds holes and hoping it works. 

 

Defending has improved, but my god the attacking is woeful. Hoping for set piece goal.

Can he actually coach in a different way? (Ive no idea, never watched his teams) But they might be stuck with a coach who can only work on 343 and a squad that can’t. Which would be funny.

 

FWIW I reckon they’ll lose to Liverpool but then recover somewhat in the league and Europe. They will adjust enough to the formation, some players will step up and others will be binned off. Their big issue will be whether to overhaul the squad to suit this guy, when they love a sacking.

[KingArthur]

19 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Like he said in his interview last night, he's there because the team was losing and the previous manager was sacked. Now people want him to go back to that system that got the previous manager sacked? He needs to stick to his idea and see who's going to be playing for him next season.

 

Eriksen and Casemiro are fourth and fifth choice midfielders for us. They never really had any hope against a strong midfield that was bang in form, and the formation wouldn't really have mattered. Game shifted when Mainoo came on, but the damage was already done.

Yea, I think he will be backed. He has decided this is the way and seems like he is a man with principles. That is fine.

BUT I would have understand if he had gone with say 4-2-3-1 and assess the players, and after this season decides who to keep and what kind of players he needs. Dropping out of Europe totally and ending up like 12th or 14th would be a total disaster for ManU. Trying to get a new formation in with injuries, lots of fixtures and losing every other game is damn tough job

The problem wasn't only Eriksen and Casemiro, the problem was you were outnumbered in the middle in 2 different lines. Zirkzee and Martinez were bad, but they really didn't know what to do. Game shifted because Eriksen was pressing much better than Zirkzee, and to be honest you really raised the intensity from the walking pace that it was at first.. It wasn't 3-4-3 even it was 5-2-2-1. Very passive. Something I definitely did not expect from Amorim.

And it is true that NUFC midfield is very strong, but it was a bit of training exercise for the first 20 minutes. It is a bit like Angeball somehow.. RA said "It is easy to say we were outnumbered in the middle after the game started", no, it was easy to say before the game. Maybe Mainoo was so injured and he didn't have a choice then.

 

 

Edited December 31, 2024 by KingArthur

[Checko]

Had family over so couldn't see the game yesterday. From Man U fans sounds like Amorim got it wrong to start with & Casemeiro & Eriksson were always going to be overrun. To be fair to him though he was pretty proactive in changing things and bringing Mainoo on did stem the tide by the sounds of it, though obviously we didn't have to force things by then.

 

At the end of the day Amorim has a decent beard and his name sounds like an interesting liqueur you pick up on your holidays. These are good qualities to build around.

 

Also I think 343 can be a really good system, but he'll need a couple of windows to bring some peeps in.

[Heron]

1 minute ago, Checko said:

Had family over so couldn't see the game yesterday. From Man U fans sounds like Amorim got it wrong to start with & Casemeiro & Eriksson were always going to be overrun. To be fair to him though he was pretty proactive in changing things and bringing Mainoo on did stem the tide by the sounds of it, though obviously we didn't have to force things by then.

 

At the end of the day Amorim has a decent beard and his name sounds like an interesting liqueur you pick up on your holidays. These are good qualities to build around.

 

Also I think 343 can be a really good system, but he'll need a couple of windows to bring some peeps in.

[Froggy]

12 minutes ago, KaKa said:

Mainoo started alongside Ugarte against both Bournemouth and Wolves though, and it didn't make a difference.

 

We had control of the midfield against Wolves, so it did. It was 0-0 until we went down to 10 men. Obviously your midfield is a different kettle of fish to the Wolves one, but to say it didn't make a difference is off the mark. 

 

To say we wouldn't have been better with a midfield 3 of Ugarte, Mainoo and Fernandes instead of a midfield 3 of Eriksen, Casemiro and Zirkzee is disingenuous.

 

I'm in absolutely no way saying we would have got something from the game, as you were that good in the opening 30. Result would have been the same IMO, just maybe not as embarassing as it was early on.

[BoSelecta]

7 minutes ago, Checko said:

At the end of the day Amorim has a decent beard and his name sounds like an interesting liqueur you pick up on your holidays. These are good qualities to build around.

[KaKa]

Just now, Froggy said:

 

We had control of the midfield against Wolves, so it did. It was 0-0 until we went down to 10 men. Obviously your midfield is a different kettle of fish to the Wolves one, but to say it didn't make a difference is off the mark. 

 

To say we wouldn't have been better with a midfield 3 of Ugarte, Mainoo and Fernandes instead of a midfield 3 of Eriksen, Casemiro and Zirkzee is disingenuous.

 

I'm in absolutely no way saying we would have got something from the game, as you were that good in the opening 30. Result would have been the same IMO, just maybe not as embarassing as it was early on.

 

Fair enough. I think that's reasonable.

 

One thing I have noticed. Early on Amorim was playing Amad at wing back, and I think you looked more dangerous then. I'm surprised he hasn't gone back to that.

 

Playing both Dalot and Mazaroui at the wing back spots seems to be stifling your play going forward.

 

 

[christ]

I see absolutely no difference between Amorim’s dogmatic insistence on 343 and what Ange is doing at Spurs. Or what Russell Martin did at Southampton.

 

When was the meeting where everyone decided that being tactically inflexible was the cool new thing? There’s nowt wrong with having a system you aspire to playing but at some point you’ve got to look at the hand you’ve been dealt and adapt a little.

 

Utter woke nonsense.

[Froggy]

Just now, KaKa said:

Fair enough. I think that's reasonable.

 

One thing I have noticed. Early on Amorim was playing Amad at wing back, and I think you looked more dangerous then. I'm surprised he hasn't gone back to that.

 

Playing both Dalot and Mazaroui at the wing back spots seems to be stifling your play going forward.

 

I don't think Dalot nor Mazraoui have the quality to play wing back in that system. Dalot is potentially capable on the right but is badly exposed on the left. There's just nobody else.

 

There's some stupid stat that we haven't not scored a goal when those two are wing backs, but when it's been Amad or Antony we've scored 9.

 

At the same time, he can't play Amad there as we don't have good enough #10's if Amad was to drop deeper, especially with Fernandes out.

 

Another fun stat: the last 4 games we've not had Fernandes - 0 goals.