Manchester United

[Froggy]

9 hours ago, Disco said:

We used to have a Spurs and Liverpool one in the not too distant past, these things come and go. If Man Utd ever get good again it’ll die a death. 

 

[gdm]

I just don’t get how the thread is so triggering. It’s a thread laughing at Man Utd essentially. 

[Ben]

How close are Man Utd to the PSR limit ? Apparently sacking Ten Hag and hiring the new bloke will.cost £25 million, I imagine he'll want his own players in January as well.

[r0cafella]

No deep dive on this from @Froggy consider me disappointed. 

[Froggy]

17 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

No deep dive on this from @Froggy consider me disappointed. 

 

What do you want to know? Ask away.

 

Feel like we've all come to terms with Ten Hag's sacking for what feels like forever now.

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

What do you want to know? Ask away.

 

Feel like we've all come to terms with Ten Hag's sacking for what feels like forever now.

Thoughts on what went wrong and where you expect you will go from here?

[Zero]

It’s always a myth why so many Man Utd fans support Ten Hag - when he is so fucking obvious that he is not good enough. I mean, if the board or the fans supported Jose or Ole like how they did to Ten Hag, Man Utd would probably back to UCL regulars already 

 

I really don’t understand

[Froggy]

5 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Thoughts on what went wrong and where you expect you will go from here?

 

Beyond the point of trying to understand why it goes wrong now.  

 

Under Ten Hag it was just wildly inconsistent. I suspect none of you watched the game as it was on the same time as your match, but the first half against West Ham is arguably the best we've played in 18 months. Chance after chance after chance, cutting them open with ease. Garnacho should have had two, Hojlund had a good chance, Rashford missed a good chance and Dalot probably had the miss of the season so far. Crossbar was hit twice. Keeper had a worldie of a save as well. We were genuinely brilliant.

 

Then the second half comes and we're absolutely shite. Is that Ten Hag's fault? Who knows. It's been the same for ages now though. We show flashes of brilliance but can never keep the level up and there's inevitably a defensive blunder and we lose the game. I actually couldn't believe we lost that one against West Ham though. He's probably deserved the sack based on other results and some decisions he's made recently, but it felt harsh based on the West Ham game.

 

What I do hate is that he's perceived to be a bad coach now because it's gone wrong. Mourinho, LvG, Ten Hag etc. didn't become bad coaches overnight.

[Froggy]

4 minutes ago, Zero said:

It’s always a myth why so many Man Utd fans support Ten Hag - when he is so fucking obvious that he is not good enough. I mean, if the board or the fans supported Jose or Ole like how they did to Ten Hag, Man Utd would probably back to UCL regulars already 

 

I really don’t understand

 

You think we didn't support Mourinho and Ole? 

 

The only manager since Fergie who never received the long term support they probably deserved is Moyes, but Moyes was never good enough and I'm glad he was shown the door early.

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Froggy said:

 

Beyond the point of trying to understand why it goes wrong now.  

 

Under Ten Hag it was just wildly inconsistent. I suspect none of you watched the game as it was on the same time as your match, but the first half against West Ham is arguably the best we've played in 18 months. Chance after chance after chance, cutting them open with ease. Garnacho should have had two, Hojlund had a good chance, Rashford missed a good chance and Dalot probably had the miss of the season so far. Crossbar was hit twice. Keeper had a worldie of a save as well. We were genuinely brilliant.

 

Then the second half comes and we're absolutely shite. Is that Ten Hag's fault? Who knows. It's been the same for ages now though. We show flashes of brilliance but can never keep the level up and there's inevitably a defensive blunder and we lose the game. I actually couldn't believe we lost that one against West Ham though. He's probably deserved the sack based on other results and some decisions he's made recently, but it felt harsh based on the West Ham game.

 

What I do hate is that he's perceived to be a bad coach now because it's gone wrong. Mourinho, LvG, Ten Hag etc. didn't become bad coaches overnight.

Thanks Frogman, didn't see anything of you lot but you have dodgy Jim at the helm so this has probably been in the works for awhile. 

 

Listened so some Gold bridge who seems to put this at the feet or the players but he's probably the goat engagement farmer so usually takes his with a handful haha. 

 

Thoughts on Anorim?

[Conjo]

Please please please let Southgate weasel himself into the job on the back of being buddies with Jim & Dan.

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

Thanks Frogman, didn't see anything of you lot but you have dodgy Jim at the helm so this has probably been in the works for awhile. 

 

Listened so some Gold bridge who seems to put this at the feet or the players but he's probably the goat engagement farmer so usually takes his with a handful haha. 

 

Thoughts on Anorim?

 

I put a lot of blame on the players as well, but it's been clear for 6 years Rashford is a huge problem and Ten Hag insisted on playing him over either Garnacho or Amad, who are hungrier and just simply better.

 

Amad has been our most dangerous player this season, yet he brought Antony on before him the other night. In fact, since Amad won our player of the month, he didn't start him for the next four games.

 

He signed Ugarte, but isn't giving him a chance to settle in. He's actually went back to Casemiro and Eriksen instead. What's the point?

 

We sold Wan-Bissaka, because we had a standout performer at right back in Dalot. He then proceeds to move him to left back and put a new signing at right back who's completely comfortable on the left. Dalot has since been very exposed playing out of position and it's clear his confidence was going, and that miss is probably a byproduct of that.

 

The constant swapping on centre backs probably hurt him too. De Ligt and Martinez are by far the best two we have and he was rotating them or subbing them for Jonny Evans in games. 

 

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Thoughts on Amorim. How can you not get excited?  Arguably the best appointment available at this time. He plays a completely different system to Ten Hag though so will be another "process."

 

Either way, we aren't going to be any worse.

[Zero]

15 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

You think we didn't support Mourinho and Ole? 

 

The only manager since Fergie who never received the long term support they probably deserved is Moyes, but Moyes was never good enough and I'm glad he was shown the door early.

 

You guys did, just not at the level of Ten Hag. That’s what I don’t understand. Ten Hag has had the most support from you guys since Fergie. And I think most would agree he is probably just better than Moyes and Giggs among all the full time managers. That’s really ridiculous

[Zero]

9 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

I put a lot of blame on the players as well, but it's been clear for 6 years Rashford is a huge problem and Ten Hag insisted on playing him over either Garnacho or Amad, who are hungrier and just simply better.

 

Amad has been our most dangerous player this season, yet he brought Antony on before him the other night. In fact, since Amad won our player of the month, he didn't start him for the next four games.

 

He signed Ugarte, but isn't giving him a chance to settle in. He's actually went back to Casemiro and Eriksen instead. What's the point?

 

We sold Wan-Bissaka, because we had a standout performer at right back in Dalot. He then proceeds to move him to left back and put a new signing at right back who's completely comfortable on the left. Dalot has since been very exposed playing out of position and it's clear his confidence was going, and that miss is probably a byproduct of that.

 

The constant swapping on centre backs probably hurt him too. De Ligt and Martinez are by far the best two we have and he was rotating them or subbing them for Jonny Evans in games. 

 

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Thoughts on Amorim. How can you not get excited?  Arguably the best appointment available at this time. He plays a completely different system to Ten Hag though so will be another "process."

 

Either way, we aren't going to be any worse.

The problem with appointing Amorim is about the funds he could have in transfer market. Yea it’s not his problem but basically Man Utd has no funds left under PSR. He has to utilize the leftover, which is a very difficult job

[Sima]

3 hours ago, Ben said:

How close are Man Utd to the PSR limit ? Apparently sacking Ten Hag and hiring the new bloke will.cost £25 million, I imagine he'll want his own players in January as well.

 

If they're close, they'll just get another "exception allowance" like last time.

[Conjo]

9 minutes ago, Zero said:

 

You guys did, just not at the level of Ten Hag. That’s what I don’t understand. Ten Hag has had the most support from you guys since Fergie. And I think most would agree he is probably just better than Moyes and Giggs among all the full time managers. That’s really ridiculous

 

I mean, it clearly hasn't worked to flog managers at the rate they have been doing, so it kind of feels like a collective effort from the fans to give him more time than the previous managers to see if that could eventually lead to more consistent performances. They haven't given him more time because it was ETH is my impression.

[Lush Vlad]

Can't say I have seen much of Sporting.  Bar the constant Gyokeres highlights.  But I'd be really interested to see the 3-4-3 in the PL and if it work and if so, how many teams follow suit trying similar.  The same way so many teams started doing the box midfield with the full backs coming inside after Pep did it.  Or how Arteta started playing 4 CB's after Tony Pulis did it  

 

Actually looks like they have the right kind of squad for it, as well.  Onana to build from the back.  Martinez is good on the ball.  Dalot is a great attacking full back.  Mainoo and Ugarte holding.  Plenty of attacking options further up the pitch.  Might even get the best out of Rashford.......

 

Annoying that it looks like he is going there.  As it is an exciting appointment.  

 

@Froggy how come you weren't in for him in the summer when West Ham and Liverpool were heavily linked?  But now after 9 more games of awful Ten Hag ball and buying more of his players.  He is seen as the right man for the job?  That seems a bit odd, to me? 

[Froggy]

28 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

@Froggy how come you weren't in for him in the summer when West Ham and Liverpool were heavily linked?  But now after 9 more games of awful Ten Hag ball and buying more of his players.  He is seen as the right man for the job?  That seems a bit odd, to me? 

 

I don't think so. We had glaring weaknesses in the squad like CDM, and we needed to address them. We had just beaten City in the cup final, and it was no fluke, with ten Hag setting us up perfectly for it. I think he just bought himself time with cup win and the feeling was that if we signed another quality centre back and CDM that he could progress, but it wasn't to be unfortunately.

 

I think a lot is being made of the signings being his players as well but I don't think it's a big deal and those players will be valuable to any manager. If it is Amorim who comes in, it'll suit Ugarte especially as his best football came under him. 

[Lush Vlad]

2 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

I don't think so. We had glaring weaknesses in the squad like CDM, and we needed to address them. We had just beaten City in the cup final, and it was no fluke, with ten Hag setting us up perfectly for it. I think he just bought himself time with cup win and the feeling was that if we signed another quality centre back and CDM that he could progress, but it wasn't to be unfortunately.

 

I think a lot is being made of the signings being his players as well but I don't think it's a big deal and those players will be valuable to any manager. If it is Amorim who comes in, it'll suit Ugarte especially as his best football came under him. 

 

Weren't you actively looking for managers and it was an open secret that Ten Hag was basically on the way out?  Then nobody they wanted actually wanted the job.  So Ten Hag stayed?  Or did every media outlet and supposed ITK just make that up?

 

Also, how incredibly short-sighted to want to keep him off the back of a cup win.  When you had game after game across league seasons where performances were all over the place and you had no recognised, discernible style or play and were often incredibly easy to play against.  

 

Might work out in the long term, though.  If you get Amorim and say he wasn't interested or not available in the summer, but now he is.  Then in theory, that was worth keeping ETH around for a bit longer.

[Ikon]

I'd never take this particular job if i was Amorim.

[NG32]

13 minutes ago, Ikon said:

I'd never take this particular job if i was Amorim.

No, its a bit of a soul crusher at the moment. 

 

 

[Froggy]

40 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

 

Weren't you actively looking for managers and it was an open secret that Ten Hag was basically on the way out?  Then nobody they wanted actually wanted the job.  So Ten Hag stayed?  Or did every media outlet and supposed ITK just make that up?

 

Also, how incredibly short-sighted to want to keep him off the back of a cup win.  When you had game after game across league seasons where performances were all over the place and you had no recognised, discernible style or play and were often incredibly easy to play against.  

 

Might work out in the long term, though.  If you get Amorim and say he wasn't interested or not available in the summer, but now he is.  Then in theory, that was worth keeping ETH around for a bit longer.

 

The only thing that is incredibly short-sighted is people acting like managers turn to shit overnight. Ten Hag is a good manager and a good coach, but he just couldn't get it right, just like other top managers couldn't. Consistency was the issue. We played some brilliant football for twenty minutes, then completely collapsed for the next twenty. I don't think anyone can really put their finger on it.

 

It just shows the insane pressure you're under at this club though. We haven't been an elite club for over ten years yet a 55% win ratio, an average league position of 5.5 out of 20 and two more trophies added to the cabinet is not only seen as bad, but such a disaster to the point where the manager is mocked and ridiculed.  It's beyond insane IMO. 

 

 

Edited October 29, 2024 by Froggy

[Froggy]

31 minutes ago, Ikon said:

I'd never take this particular job if i was Amorim.

 

I think it's an easy job to take now. What does Amorim have to lose? If he turns us around and has us challenging again he'll be seen as a God. If he fails, he likely won't get the blame. Poisoned chalice, Glazers, Mourinho/Lvg/Ten Hag all failed etc. etc.

[r0cafella]

4 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

I think it's an easy job to take now. What does Amorim have to lose? If he turns us around and has us challenging again he'll be seen as a God. If he fails, he likely won't get the blame. Poisoned chalice, Glazers, Mourinho/Lvg/Ten Hag all failed etc. etc.

His chance to ever manage a big club again if it goes tits up. Easier to take the job under the Glazers tbh your spending the same sums as you were except ineos seem far more trigger happy. 

[bobbydazzla]

 

 

 

 

Edited October 29, 2024 by bobbydazzla