Manchester United

[Froggy]

 

[bobbydazzla]

23 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

I did not. Unlike the 0-3 last season, we were the better side today. 

 

You have to think we'll start taking these chances. Maybe not of course, but usually if you're dominating games and creating chance after chance, it comes good eventually. 

 

Feel like Newcastle fans should be able to relate to that.  

You’ve looked properly shit every time I’ve watched you, including today

 

[Joelinton7]

14 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Bournemouth had to rely on us missing the best chances of the game. It's usually the other way around for us. That's what's encouraging and why there's no panic. Nobody expected an overnight fix anyway. 

 

Ugarte has been unreal as well. Not sure you're appreciating that side of the game or if you just don't watch us, which is fair. 

 

Only thing I agree with you on is Zirkzee. I don't think he has what it takes at all, certainly not as a #9. Hojlund all day every day in that role for me.

It just looks like you play exactly the same way as you did under EtH. Passing side to side in the final third, then back to Onana with no ability to break a side down mixed with catastrophic defensive lapses and a very hot and cold goalkeeper. The only bright lights being Fernandes and Amad.

 

You’ll say these things take time but these players had time under EtH. Years of it. They weren’t capable of playing any other way, or they refused to. I just don’t see it changing. Added to this Amorim isn’t exactly the most inspiring of managers on the touchline. Staring at the ground and what have you. 

 

 

Edited December 22, 2024 by Joelinton7

[Froggy]

5 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

You’ve looked properly shit every time I’ve watched you, including today

 

You don't see the bigger picture Bobby son. No offence. You were questioning Howe a couple of weeks ago off the back of a couple of bad results. 

 

If you've been watching us and haven't seen any good performances under Amorim, you're either blinded by hate or just don't know ball bro. Thankfully for you I'm going to stick you in the first category. 

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, Joelinton7 said:

It just looks like you play exactly the same way as you did under EtH.

 

 

Howe and Bruce pretty similar too tbf. 

[Joelinton7]

2 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

 

Howe and Bruce pretty similar too tbf. 

I’m not saying RA is a bad manager. There’s just something about your club, those players… I just can’t see much changing from the last manager. I think a lot of your players fear playing at OT. They’ll pull their fingers out once every 6 games or something just to keep their heads above water and then revert to type, this has been happening for years now.
 

There’s no consistency, no identity. With Howe and us we have a very clear identity and it comes from EH. There’s a lot of disconnect at your club and it shows. Probably starts with the Glazers and Ratcliffe from the outside at least has been an absolute clown show. I mean the less said about the Ashworth situation the better

[Astroblack]

49 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Bournemouth had to rely on us missing the best chances of the game. It's usually the other way around for us. That's what's encouraging and why there's no panic. Nobody expected an overnight fix anyway. 

 

Ugarte has been unreal as well. Not sure you're appreciating that side of the game or if you just don't watch us, which is fair. 

 

Only thing I agree with you on is Zirkzee. I don't think he has what it takes at all, certainly not as a #9. Hojlund all day every day in that role for me.

Ugarte - unreal? I’m telling you, that guy is your Vurnon Anita. Boxes himself into positions where he can’t receive the ball and never ever shows for it. Compare him to someone like Lavia for instance who always wants the ball, Skelly for Arsenal yesterday hopping backwards with his eyes on the ball and play at all times. I watched him closely during Copa America, he’s a nothing player. I think he said it himself, he’s there to win the ball back. Offers nothing in possession so the three center back just pass it around to themselves and Ugarte runs further and further away from the ball. Don’t think he’s Kante, he ain’t Kante. 
 

I watched him in the Forest game. Infuriating. He did get some what of an assist but only when the ball was played into him first time. He didn’t know what was going. He avoids all responsibility. Gibbs White on the other hand was always showing, screaming for the ball, passing and moving. My brother supports Man U so we watched the game together and I could not believe how this guy would directly place himself in between four opposing players and not even try to get out. Really weird. 

 

 

Edited December 22, 2024 by Astroblack

[Froggy]

8 minutes ago, Astroblack said:

Ugarte - unreal? I’m telling you, that guy is your Vurnon Anita. Boxes himself into positions where he can’t receive the ball and never ever shows for it. Compare him to someone like Lavia for instance who always wants the ball, Skelly for Arsenal yesterday hopping backwards with his eyes on the ball and play at all times. I watched him closely during Copa America, he’s a nothing player. I think he said it himself, he’s there to win the ball back. Offers nothing in possession so the three center back just pass it around to themselves and Ugarte runs further and further away from the ball. Don’t think he’s Kante, Kante shows, this guy hides. 

 

Aye you've just described the opposite of Ugarte under Amorim. he's been everywhere for us. 

 

Get Bobby to get the stats for you. He loves stats. 

 

No idea what he was like in the Copa America and I don't care. 

[bobbydazzla]

5 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Aye you've just described the opposite of Ugarte under Amorim. he's been everywhere for us. 

 

Get Bobby to get the stats for you. He loves stats. 

 

No idea what he was like in the Copa America and I don't care. 

[Astroblack]

7 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Aye you've just described the opposite of Ugarte under Amorim. he's been everywhere for us. 

 

Get Bobby to get the stats for you. He loves stats. 

 

No idea what he was like in the Copa America and I don't care. 

How about this for a stat, in the 100 or so league games he’s played in Europe, he’s never scored a goal. That’s Vurnon Anita Gavin McCann levels of nothingness. That’s who’ve you’ve signed.   

[Geordie Ahmed]

37 minutes ago, Joelinton7 said:

I’m not saying RA is a bad manager. There’s just something about your club, those players… I just can’t see much changing from the last manager. I think a lot of your players fear playing at OT. They’ll pull their fingers out once every 6 games or something just to keep their heads above water and then revert to type, this has been happening for years now.
 

There’s no consistency, no identity. With Howe and us we have a very clear identity and it comes from EH. There’s a lot of disconnect at your club and it shows. Probably starts with the Glazers and Ratcliffe from the outside at least has been an absolute clown show. I mean the less said about the Ashworth situation the better

 

That's a fair assessment of Man U but it's unfair to apply that to Amorim, he's only been in the job 2 minutes

 

Now, I would love nothing more than for him to flop badly but it's wait too early to be making judgements on him

 

He needs time and whether the fans/media accept it he'll use this as a sussing out season and then use the transfer window to start bringing in what he needs

[OverThere]

2 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

Give it time son. 

Sounds like something Brexit Jim would say. 15 years later and everyone will still be waiting.

[Froggy]

 

4 minutes ago, Astroblack said:

How about this for a stat, in the 100 or so league games he’s played in Europe, he’s never scored a goal. That’s Vurnon Anita Gavin McCann levels of nothingness. That’s who’ve you’ve signed.   

 

Do you ask your postman to fix your car like? 

[Astroblack]

1 minute ago, Froggy said:

 

 

Do you ask your postman to fix your car like? 

In the City game, the ball dropped(incidentally)to him and he showed some lovely bit of control and pass it out to Bruno and Martinez and score the winner. Cool. BUT when you’re in possession and your three centrebacks are passing the ball around to each other, this man will NEVER step outside of his comfort zone to show for the ball. It’s just the type of player I really don’t like. Glad you have him. 

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

6 hours ago, Astroblack said:

How about this for a stat, in the 100 or so league games he’s played in Europe, he’s never scored a goal. That’s Vurnon Anita Gavin McCann levels of nothingness. That’s who’ve you’ve signed.   

Give it time son 

[Froggy]

1 hour ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said:

Give it time son 

 

Not for this one. I wouldn't be waiting for an extremely defensive midfielder to be scoring goals, son. 

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

44 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Not for this one. I wouldn't be waiting for an extremely defensive midfielder to be scoring goals, son. 

K son. 

[Froggy]

7 minutes ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said:

K son. 

 

[Erikse]

@Froggy is probably the best jinxer I have ever seen, so judging by the comments here Ugarte will turn out to be another flop sitting on the bench.

[Dokko]

2 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

Not for this one. I wouldn't be waiting for an extremely defensive midfielder to be scoring goals, son. 

 

Nice clean sheet for him yesterday.

[jack j]

When you listen to the likes of neville and keane they reckon a full overhaul is needed especially with Amorims 3-4-3 system. Probably count on one hand the amount of players they'd keep

 

Surely with psr rules they won't be able to spend another billion for a long time?

 

 

Edited December 23, 2024 by jack j

[Froggy]

19 minutes ago, Erikse said:

@Froggy is probably the best jinxer I have ever seen, so judging by the comments here Ugarte will turn out to be another flop sitting on the bench.

 

I am a good jinx.

 

There's no way this year you finish 5th and then we win the Europa League. No way that happens.

[alexf]

Dunno if some are just piling on for fun or if they really mean it? But you can't be judging their manager on the first few games. Clearly he has a system he prefers and has worked well for him elsewhere. He's obviously seeing what players fit that and which he will need to replace. 

 

Granted EtH was supposed to be the same but he seemed to quickly abandon his philosophies and Man U had no style or direction under his whole tenure. If the new guy abandons his also, then they are in massive trouble. 

 

But like I mentioned earlier, took Howe a little while to get things going here and he had far less to work with than Amorim has, plus they can still buy their way out of trouble, so I don't expect them to be this awful for much of longer. Although surely revenues will eventually come down one day eventually for them if onfield doesn't improve?

 

You know they are going to be way more up for a game against us than Bournemouth, no disrespect to Bournemouth but Man U arrogance seems to carry through generations, even though this current team should have actually been underdogs to Bournemouth on this season's showing so far. 

 

 

Edited December 23, 2024 by alexf

[Cronky]

I think when Ratcliffe picked Amorim it was a supporter's choice rather than a professional's. He was acting on the dream of landing the next Mourinho or Guardiola, rather than looking for someone of more relevant experience.

 

More than once, Amorim has looked the picture of despair on the touchline. Surely he's got to put on a more positive face in public.

 

He seems to have tied himself in verbal knots over the Rashford / Garnacho situation, claiming that they haven't been dropped for disciplinary reasons when they clearly have. It's ended up with Rashford saying he wants to go and Amorim saying he wants him to stay, despite the fact that Man U would be well rid of him. 

 

I'm not sure why he picked on Garnacho, who, from what I've seen, gives his all and is a talent worth nurturing. He may have lost him now.

 

Amorim seems a nice guy in a role which needed a bit of a bastard. He seems to be oscillating between the two.

[Ronson333]

1 minute ago, Cronky said:

I think when Ratcliffe picked Amorim it was a supporter's choice rather than a professional's. He was acting on the dream of landing the next Mourinho or Guardiola, rather than looking for someone of more relevant experience.

 

More than once, Amorim has looked the picture of despair on the touchline. Surely he's got to put on a more positive face in public.

 

He seems to have tied himself in verbal knots over the Rashford / Garnacho situation, claiming that they haven't been dropped for disciplinary reasons when they clearly have. It's ended up with Rashford saying he wants to go and Amorim saying he wants him to stay, despite the fact that Man U would be well rid of him. 

 

I'm not sure why he picked on Garnacho, who, from what I've seen, gives his all and is a talent worth nurturing. He may have lost him now.

 

Amorim seems a nice guy in a role which needed a bit of a bastard. He seems to be oscillating between the two.

Garnacho’s brother has apparently been leaking team line-ups