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RodneyCisse

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2 minutes ago, Skjaere9 said:

Would love for our owners not to bail them out this time for once… if not Saudi, who’s going to buy all their overpaid useless players? 


Really hope they don’t get their “get out of jail free card” 

 

They’re fucked next season and it all hinged on last night.

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TaylorJ_01

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I really don't get it. If Amorim can't win games unless he has exactly the right players in exactly the right positions,  which there's also been zero evidence of, then he isn't a good manager. If they let him rebuild the team to a 3-4-3 with loads of average Portuguese players then they are done. 

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7 hours ago, Ben said:

 

Personally I think Pep has lost it, he seems to be finding it really hard to adapt but he still has the best players so he gets results. Almiron seems to have neither 

Heinous dig at Miggy here. Just watch him go on an absolute tear now like he did after Grealish’s comments 

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Geogaddi

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This whole he doesn't have the players for his system is bollocks as well mind. Remember when Eddie came in and we were rock bottom it took him about 3 months to sort the Bruce mess out but he actually got a tune of the players in the end and some of the players are still here now . If you are a top class manager you do well with what you have and don't need to rely on some sort of silly system .  Man United also have a far better squad now than we did in the first season Eddie came in.

 

 

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Froggy

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Just now, Geogaddi said:

This whole he doesn't have the players for his system is bollocks as well mind. Remember when Eddie came in and we were rock bottom it took him about 3 months to sort the Bruce mess out but he actually got a tune of the players in the end and some of the players are still here now . If you are a top class manager you do well with what you have.  Man United also have a far better squad now than we did in the first season Eddie came in.

 

If anything, Howe should be used as an example. He came in at the same time of the season Amorim did. You were already out of the league cup, and suffered a humiliating defeat by Cambridge under Howe in the FA Cup. No European football to contend with either unlike Amorim. He was able to fully focus on the league, but still started with 1 win his first 9 I believe? And that win was against a team that ended up relegated. He got wins against teams like Everton, Southampton, Leeds etc. who were all circling the relegation drain, but got slapped by the better sides, including Spurs.

 

Now look at Howe and what he has done with the side. I remember the forum at the time as well when it started poorly. Mouthpieces like Nobody suggesting he wasn't up to it and you should have gone for someone else.

 

Howe has been given half a billion to spend since then. Let us given Amorim even a single summer transfer window before judging him maybe? 

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Abacus

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The question for me is whether Amorim gets the funds for his rebuild and how far he's trusted to do it.

 

Plus, with the players they need to go, whether they can actually get rid of them profitably.

 

If they do stick with Amorim and it still doesn't work then there are going to be question marks over Berrada next and Radcliffe (if there aren't enough already).

 

Whereas Ashworth seemingly got sacked for recommending Howe for the job instead and however much I dislike Ashworth, you have to laugh at that.

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Froggy

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Just now, Abacus said:

The question for me is whether Amorim gets the funds for his rebuild and how far he's trusted to do it.

 

Plus, with the players they need to go, whether they can actually get rid of them profitably.

 

If they do stick with Amorim and it still doesn't work then there are going to be question marks over Berrada next and Radcliffe (if there aren't enough already).

 

Whereas Ashworth seemingly got sacked for recommending Howe for the job instead and however much I dislike Ashworth, you have to laugh at that.

 

To me recommending Howe for the job was fucking stupid anyway. At that point he was building something special with you and was pretty much untouchable and would never have come. Felt like Ashworth just firing out names for the sake of it and not attainable targets.

 

We all wanted Amorim, and that's not going to change after a rough 6 months. 

 

I think far, far too much is being put into the players for the system as well. The only specialised position for it is the wing backs, and IMO a good wing back can be a good full back. It's not like if it doesn't work out for Amorim that you're left with 11 players who can't play 442. 

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10 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

If anything, Howe should be used as an example. He came in at the same time of the season Amorim did. You were already out of the league cup, and suffered a humiliating defeat by Cambridge under Howe in the FA Cup. No European football to contend with either unlike Amorim. He was able to fully focus on the league, but still started with 1 win his first 9 I believe? And that win was against a team that ended up relegated. He got wins against teams like Everton, Southampton, Leeds etc. who were all circling the relegation drain, but got slapped by the better sides, including Spurs.

 

Now look at Howe and what he has done with the side. I remember the forum at the time as well when it started poorly. Mouthpieces like Nobody suggesting he wasn't up to it and you should have gone for someone else.

 

Howe has been given half a billion to spend since then. Let us given Amorim even a single summer transfer window before judging him maybe? 

What a load of shite. 

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Kid Icarus

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1 hour ago, r0cafella said:

I watched the highlights before heading to work and it seemed a low quality game, you lot definitely had the better of though, unless the editing has led me astray. 

 

Are you lot just backing him for the sake of it though? From what I've seen he has shown much. It's all well and good wanting a rebuild but it's a slow process nowadays. 

They had more of the ball, but that's about it. Spurs did more with the ball when they had it in the first half, went ahead and then just defended comfortably for the rest of the match, it was a very un-Spurs like performance.

 

Man United had one cleared off the line and forced a couple of saves but there were also 2 counters where Spurs should have ended in.

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Abacus

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Just now, Froggy said:

 

To me recommending Howe for the job was fucking stupid anyway. At that point he was building something special with you and was pretty much untouchable and would never have come. Felt like Ashworth just firing out names for the sake of it and not attainable targets.

 

We all wanted Amorim, and that's not going to change after a rough 6 months. 

 

I think far, far too much is being put into the players for the system as well. The only specialised position for it is the wing backs, and IMO a good wing back can be a good full back. It's not like if it doesn't work out for Amorim that you're left with 11 players who can't play 442. 

 

Well yes, I don't think Howe would have jumped either, can't fault you on that. 

 

I quite like Amorim for what it's worth, and I think he's been quite honest about what has needed to change. That said, in Howe's first transfer window he brought in some crucial players, like Trippier and Burn, and started from a far lower base before turning it round.

 

That then bought him the luxury of having earned fan's trust and the trust of the club to carry on and rebuild.

 

My question really was whether Amorim has earnt that same trust. Not from the genuine fans of which you're one and credit that you're sticking by him, but more from the club's hierarchy. You'll have a better view on that than me.

 

Bad luck, by the way, I'm not rubbing your nose in it, just asking where it goes from here.

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54 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

What's this based on? How is his playing style and tactical philosophy not being considered? 

 

The only people calling for Amorim's head are, once again, opposition fans. Probably the same people on here who called for Howe's head after a bad patch this season.

You cant lie to us like that man. We have all been to redcafe to revel in schadenfreude.

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Go back just over a year and not one of them on Red Cafe (I know) were saying they'd swap Ten Hag for Eddie Howe. They pretty much all thought Howe was average. There were a couple of them on there last night saying they should sack Amorim and go for him now.

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TK-421

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3 minutes ago, JonBez comesock said:

Need them to win on Sunday 


Aye, they owe their supporters a home win to finish the season off, give them a shred of hope for next season.





Spoiler Alert.... They'll roll over for Villa.

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Froggy

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3 minutes ago, Abacus said:

I quite like Amorim for what it's worth, and I think he's been quite honest about what has needed to change. That said, in Howe's first transfer window he brought in some crucial players, like Trippier and Burn, and started from a far lower base before turning it round.

 

This is a huge point though I feel. Amorim got a 20 year old wing back. Howe got Wood, Trippier, Burn and Bruno Guimarães. £100m worth of reinforcements.

 

I don't want to make this into a Howe vs. Amorim debate anyway. I've been very vocal on here about my support of Howe, and have always rated him a fantastic manager. I'm just trying to draw parallels in their appointments and subsequent bad starts.

 

6 minutes ago, Abacus said:

My question really was whether Amorim has earnt that same trust. Not from the genuine fans of which you're one and credit that you're sticking by him, but more from the club's hierarchy. You'll have a better view on that than me.

 

The fans just have to trust that they will stick by him. From the sources coming out of the club, Amorim and the board have a good relationship and he's not afraid to tell them exactly what is required.

 

We need new blood in the team, and I don't think it's fair to judge Amorim before he's even got one new senior player added to his squad, especially after he's just taken us to a European final.

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Froggy

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5 minutes ago, Displayname said:

You cant lie to us like that man. We have all been to redcafe to revel in schadenfreude.

 

Going to RedCafe for a genuine Man United opinion is like me going to RTG to get an opinion on Newcastle. It is a shit show there.

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