madras Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 43 minutes ago, Rich said: Just looked like the 4-3-3 with Woltemade in the Joelinton role to me, mind. With much more dynamism. We've had more midfielders getting beyond the forward and leaving their set line since the PSG game than we had the previous 2 yrs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Yeah I thought Woltemade looked closer to a 10 than an 8 against Villa, but he was much more obviously an out-and-out midfielder tonight. Had another really good game. It's quite funny if the solution to him is literally just the same as Joelinton's, and he's just being fed through an identical reforging process. Heck of a move from Howe as well, if he's figured out that the way to get us going this season was, all along, to put Gordon up top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janpawel Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Enjoyed Woltemade in the last couple of games but think he's too slow to be an 8 at a high level Fair enough as a 10, but the problem is that we always play a 4-5-1 out of possession, so he'd have to perform midfield duties / cover the left hand side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Maybe we were always looking for him to play behind Isak in this type of role he’s been doing recently. In the same way we tried hard to get Joao Pedro Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 You don’t pay £60m+ for neat and tidy sideways-passing midfielders when you’re already overloaded in the midfield department. Just now, andyc35i said: Maybe we were always looking for him to play behind Isak in this type of role he’s been doing recently. In the same way we tried hard to get Joao Pedro We’d already sold Isak when we signed him, so probably not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I thought he was always on the list before Isak was for sure going? I seem to recall there was a big debate here about Ekitike coming in to do the same thing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 With all our injuries we get I think howe and Co need to start handing out cricket pads in training. 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 4 goals in our last 3 games from shots outside the box. 3 of which were from fairly sizeable deflections. Glad we seem to finally having a crack from range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 With Miley out, it feels like we have to mitigate Trippier being targeted game after game. Whether that be a back three or Joelinton moving over to the right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Pissed away two decent home points in the last two home games trying to win games by playing too high up the pitch and aggressively in games where we have not played well. I appreciate the mentality to a degree but when we equalise we need to be stabilising the games and thinking how we can build again, not going for a winner suicidally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 22 hours ago, Ronson333 said: I’d hazard a guess this is a huge factor. The mental as well as physical fatigue of playing so many games. We don’t have the squad for it. Or the mindset tbh. I also think our most successful style is when we’re just outrunning teams. That’s always going to be incredibly hard to do for 55-60 games a season (if we get CL again). Even with a better squad, you can’t rotate everyone every other match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) Don’t let his nephew anywhere near our transfer kitty Edited February 28 by Ronson333 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) We now play this organised way from home, but at home it’s regularly a basketball match.. Eddie and the team this isn’t good enough, we need to be well drilled all the time Edited February 28 by Ronson333 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Also, if Howe stays then I think the chances of a ‘major rebuild’ are very slim. Eddie likes continuity and there’s very few players he will accept because the exacting physical demands he requires. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 hours ago, Lotus said: Also, if Howe stays then I think the chances of a ‘major rebuild’ are very slim. Eddie likes continuity and there’s very few players he will accept because the exacting physical demands he requires. A lot of those players are at the end of the cycle or will ask out we likely need a GK GK back up CB LB back up RB first team RB back up CM Tonali replacement CM Willock replacement RW LW Gordon replacement ST Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 5 hours ago, stozo said: Pissed away two decent home points in the last two home games trying to win games by playing too high up the pitch and aggressively in games where we have not played well. I appreciate the mentality to a degree but when we equalise we need to be stabilising the games and thinking how we can build again, not going for a winner suicidally. Just rewatched the match and feel this even more strongly now. Somehow both the full backs are more advanced than Gordon when he loses the ball. Obviously frustrating for Gordon to lose the ball but it's literally a 4x4 as soon as the ball is turned over, which is just asking for trouble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 We should just try the 4222 that Pep is doing these days, it’s probably what most teams will play next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 3 hours ago, TRC said: A lot of those players are at the end of the cycle or will ask out we likely need a GK GK back up CB LB back up RB first team RB back up CM Tonali replacement CM Willock replacement RW LW Gordon replacement ST Do you honestly believe we’re going to sign 11 players in the summer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
p_cowell141 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 As many have said, this summer is absolutely critical to get right. I don't want to hear any monitoring, considering, evaluating, tracking, shortlisting, pondering, or weighing up a bid. Just bloody do it quick or move on to the next target. Without too much exaggeration I think, the following might need to be done: GK (Pope replacement) GK (Ramsdale replacement) GK (Ruddy replacement) RB (Trippier replacement) RB (Krafth replacement) RB/LB (Livra replacement?) LB CB (Schar replacement) CM/DM (J7 upgrade?) CM (Tonali replacement?) AM (creative talent, ideally someone who can take set pieces too) LW (Gordon replacement?) RW (young player to upgrade on Murphy) ST (Osula replacement) ST (if we manage to flog Wissa/Wolte) Just the 15 players then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, Lotus said: Do you honestly believe we’re going to sign 11 players in the summer? No, but is that what we likely need? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 GK - RB - CB - LB - AM - RW for a start I have zero confidence in Woltermade - Wissa and Osula - for me none have a future here - worst case Big Nick stays - the other two are surplus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 14 minutes ago, TRC said: No, but is that what we likely need? Im not even sure bringing that many players , even in if we could, would be a good idea. Too much turnover and upheaval. 2 or 3 starters. Or what look like starters but may need 6 months to bed into the system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Likely only sign 3 or 4 main players and have to try and get some younger, cheaper players from continent or blood some of our own before end of season. We also can't be fucking about and need deals wrapped up before end of season not some stupid transfer summit, watch all these players and make bids far to late. We could have bought better fit for the team than Elanga, Woltemade and Wissa for less than the 160m we paid for those. Those 3 just haven't done anywhere near enough and aren't aggressive enough. Wilson used to cause havoc because he was a menace, Isak because his pace and movement and Gordon and Barnes are capable of that if have right players around them. Need to dump Pope, Trippier and Murphy as a minimum and consider selling Willock/Joelinton as well. I love big Joe but we need to evolve the team. Core players like Hall, Thiaw, Tonali, Bruno, Miley, Gordon and Barnes need to stay and Ramsey as he will fit into a better team. The rest should have for sale signs attached. Those core players have the quality, although some consistency issues, the rest just aren't game changers in any way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 9 hours ago, Lotus said: Im not even sure bringing that many players , even in if we could, would be a good idea. Too much turnover and upheaval. 2 or 3 starters. Or what look like starters but may need 6 months to bed into the system. 4 starters - GK - CB - RW - CF - non negotiable 2 full backs to provide cover and competition - there is no way I am relying on Trippier (Krafth) Then an attacking mid and CF Ruddy - Gillespie - Ramsdale - Trippier - Krafth - Schar - Willock - Osula - Wissa - Woltermade - all go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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