Newcastle United 1 - 0 Aston Villa - 23/02/14 - post-match reaction from Page 35

[BrettNUFC]

They bombed out of Europa early and outside of the playoffs is not an achievement, like. They now face Man City and i can't see history repeating itself. I still fancy them to be in the Championship for a couple of years yet as it's a very tough league to get out of once you are in it. We did remarkably well to cruise out of it like we did

 

You're an idiot.

 

So which bits are idiotic then? This is where i was lost to what you were saying. They played nice football, won the fa cup but got relegated. It's not something i feel jealous of. Boro/Mackems can take their cup wins or runners up medals but it doesn't make me jealous of them.

 

We could play better football more consistently but we have played some good stuff. I watched Southampton at the weekend pass the ball around in circles without doing anything with it against a side who we tore apart and they eventually lost 3-1 despite having the majority of the ball.

 

[Happy Face]

I don't care who tries or not. I want us to play good football and we don't and wont under Pardew.

 

 

I just want us to play players in their best positions in a shape the whole team is sure of that doesn't completely undermine our own ability to perform.  Lovely passing play that cuts through the opponnents final third is just a pipe dream.

 

Without Santon, I thought Pardew would choose a more sensible corner taker, but no, he had Dummet taking all the corners this time.  So we're treated to the site of him running to the top right corner and sprinting to get back to defend as a left back while Debuchy is at a loss as to whether he should chase back and cover his own side or make an allowance for Dummett and go more central.  He ran about 2 mile more than he needed to.

 

We had 6 midfielders/attackers whose overall position was as narrow as the centre circle...

 

http://i58.tinypic.com/ax1mwm.jpg

 

.. they all seemed to wander left and right at their own whim...usually left, leaving Cisse as a hopeless cause on the right.

 

total rubbish.

 

Did you read the rest of the post and place that sentence into context.

 

1. What we do now.

2. what i ask for above

3. the cutting play you emboldened with our cromulentless post.

 

Being stuck at 1 makes 3 a pipe dream until we get through 2.

[Happy Face]

I don't care who tries or not. I want us to play good football and we don't and wont under Pardew.

 

 

I just want us to play players in their best positions in a shape the whole team is sure of that doesn't completely undermine our own ability to perform.  Lovely passing play that cuts through the opponnents final third is just a pipe dream.

 

Without Santon, I thought Pardew would choose a more sensible corner taker, but no, he had Dummet taking all the corners this time.  So we're treated to the site of him running to the top right corner and sprinting to get back to defend as a left back while Debuchy is at a loss as to whether he should chase back and cover his own side or make an allowance for Dummett and go more central.  He ran about 2 mile more than he needed to.

 

We had 6 midfielders/attackers whose overall position was as narrow as the centre circle...

 

http://i58.tinypic.com/ax1mwm.jpg

 

.. they all seemed to wander left and right at their own whim...usually left, leaving Cisse as a hopeless cause on the right.

 

 

Gouffran and Sissoko's average positions will be like that because they swapped wings as much as anything.

 

They didn't seem to swap that much to be honest, for some reason, Sissoko kept wandering off to the left and Gouffran stayed on the left too.  I couldn't fathom out why they were both on the same side.

 

Exactly...which I referred to with my "usually left" comment.

[Rich]

They did swap, though, and it will have still skewed the data for the "6 players within the width of the centre circle" comment, as it always does.

[Rich]

Just to embellish instead of being an arse, I tried to think of the team I've seen this season who play with a hell of a lot of width and swap wingers the most, which is probably West Ham:

 

http://i.imgur.com/I3Vft1k.png

 

This is from their 2-0 win over Norwich. 7 is Jarvis, 23 is Downing (between Cole and Nolan).

 

My point is that it's too crude a measure for me, even if I agree with your general sentiment about shape at times.

 

You could look at that and say they were far too narrow, but they obviously weren't.

[Wullie]

Gouffran seemed to play much of the game centrally too when Cisse was sent out to the right and Sissoko left. As usual we chopped and changed formations and I struggled to understand what the midfield were all meant to be doing and where they were meant to be at any given moment.

[Guest reefatoon]

Watermarked, but Colo 

 

It looks like they were celebrating with Stifler after he got a bollocking from the ref.

[Willow]

I just loved when the crowd came to life around 75 mins, you could feel the optimism and hope lifting and it really lifted the players. Loved that a lot and I'm so glad it paid off

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Most of the criticism is completely separate from league position TBF, which is fair enough I suppose.

 

Could you be more grudging.

 

It is completely separate, as everyone tries to explain but some can't separate it as they're thick as f***.

 

The only reason I'm a bit begrudging is that I think we've almost created space for the wider grumbles to come in because we've had quite a good season results-wise. I mean, if we were scrapping for every point to avoid going down we wouldn't have so much time to worry about style or ambition. I accept the criticisms, but I think they have more space to breath (and be focussed on, and seem worse) because of what we have 'achieved'.

 

 

I know, that's why I put it in inverted commas.

[Happy Face]

Just to embellish instead of being an arse, I tried to think of the team I've seen this season who play with a hell of a lot of width and swap wingers the most, which is probably West Ham:

 

http://i.imgur.com/I3Vft1k.png

 

This is from their 2-0 win over Norwich. 7 is Jarvis, 23 is Downing (between Cole and Nolan).

 

My point is that it's too crude a measure for me, even if I agree with your general sentiment about shape at times.

 

You could look at that and say they were far too narrow, but they obviously weren't.

 

It was a time saving diagram.  Not to show that our 6 players all conglomerate in the middle, but that they're all covering so much of the same ground together they end up in a mush in the middle of the park.  Like it would look if you did a heat map of an under fives game where they all chase the ball all day.

 

I'm sure we all agree on the point, without making it a boring statistical debate.

 

Gouffran, for the most part stuck to the left, on occasion he swapped out right which could be a tactical switch if worked well to stretch the opposition...

 

http://i62.tinypic.com/2vd31ts.jpg

 

Sissoko though, seemed more interested in a free role where he could roam left and right at will and seemed to do as much work on either flank...

 

http://i57.tinypic.com/2j4f0yd.jpg

[Andymc1]

Most of the criticism is completely separate from league position TBF, which is fair enough I suppose.

 

Could you be more grudging.

 

It is completely separate, as everyone tries to explain but some can't separate it as they're thick as f***.

 

The only reason I'm a bit begrudging is that I think we've almost created space for the wider grumbles to come in because we've had quite a good season results-wise. I mean, if we were scrapping for every point to avoid going down we wouldn't have so much time to worry about style or ambition. I accept the criticisms, but I think they have more space to breath (and be focussed on, and seem worse) because of what we have 'achieved'.

 

 

I know, that's why I put it in inverted commas.

 

I realised that. It still made me laugh.

[Guest bimpy474]

They bombed out of Europa early and outside of the playoffs is not an achievement, like. They now face Man City and i can't see history repeating itself. I still fancy them to be in the Championship for a couple of years yet as it's a very tough league to get out of once you are in it. We did remarkably well to cruise out of it like we did

 

You're an idiot.

 

So which bits are idiotic then? This is where i was lost to what you were saying. They played nice football, won the fa cup but got relegated. It's not something i feel jealous of. Boro/Mackems can take their cup wins or runners up medals but it doesn't make me jealous of them.

 

We could play better football more consistently but we have played some good stuff. I watched Southampton at the weekend pass the ball around in circles without doing anything with it against a side who we tore apart and they eventually lost 3-1 despite having the majority of the ball.

 

 

It's their ability to cope with the amount of games they're involved in, with a smaller, lesser quailty squad. Yet mount a decent defence of the cup and a good league position now under Rosler.  Compare that to your hero.

 

Your post is again utter nonsense to what i said about Wigan, making stuff up again.

[Rich]

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[Guest bimpy474]

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Bollocks.

[Hanshithispantz]

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[Rich]

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Bollocks.

 

[Gallowgate Toon]

Gouffran seemed to play much of the game centrally too when Cisse was sent out to the right and Sissoko left. As usual we chopped and changed formations and I struggled to understand what the midfield were all meant to be doing and where they were meant to be at any given moment.

 

Yeah, this was really baffling.

[Guest neesy111]

Boro really shot themselves in the foot winning the 2004 Carling Cup like. Bet they never realised they'd get relegated five years later. Mugs.

 

Uefa Cup final 2006.  That really impacted them 3 years later....

[BrettNUFC]

It's their ability to cope with the amount of games they're involved in, with a smaller, lesser quailty squad. Yet mount a decent defence of the cup and a good league position now under Rosler.  Compare that to your hero.

 

Your post is again utter nonsense to what i said about Wigan, making stuff up again.

 

I just don't think Wigan are doing well, each to their own. Got their cup and now in the championship fighting for a playoff place, rather them than us.

 

We just like to rip into ourselves for some reason and bring ourselves down then praise those around us. We were fearing Villa and how Lambert would p*ss all over Pardew, then during the game we sort of clicked that there is in fact worse teams around us than ourselves. Things could be a lot worse than what they actually are here. We are far better placed than the majortiy of clubs in the league. The summer ahead is absolutley crucial for us and it will be very interesting to see how it goes. We've built ourselves a platform this season and next season we need to try and push on.

[Guest reefatoon]

It's their ability to cope with the amount of games they're involved in, with a smaller, lesser quailty squad. Yet mount a decent defence of the cup and a good league position now under Rosler.  Compare that to your hero.

 

Your post is again utter nonsense to what i said about Wigan, making stuff up again.

 

I just don't think Wigan are doing well, each to their own. Got their cup and now in the championship fighting for a playoff place, rather them than us.

 

We just like to rip into ourselves for some reason and bring ourselves down then praise those around us. We were fearing Villa and how Lambert would p*ss all over Pardew, then during the game we sort of clicked that there is in fact worse teams around us than ourselves. Things could be a lot worse than what they actually are here. We are far better placed than the majortiy of clubs in the league. The summer ahead is absolutley crucial for us and it will be very interesting to see how it goes. We've built ourselves a platform this season and next season we need to try and push on.

 

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Now-Comes-The-Part-Where-We-Throw-Our-Heads-Back-In-Laughter-In-George-Of-The-Jungle.gif

[BrettNUFC]

 

That was like me, Ian and Inochi in the summer when you said we were going to be in a relegation battle. Strangely enough, we were the idiots then too who were clueless. 40 points by March and the players, manager, owner and Newcastle United in general are still being blown to bits by our fans who struggle themselves to even celebrate 90th minute winners.

 

Suppose when Cisse scored his 90th minute winner against Fulham last season, that was far more exciting and such a better position to be in 

[Guest reefatoon]

 

That was like me, Ian and Inochi in the summer when you said we were going to be in a relegation battle. Strangely enough, we were the idiots then too who were clueless. 40 points by March and the players, manager, owner and Newcastle United in general are still being blown to bits by our fans who struggle themselves to even celebrate 90th minute winners.

 

Suppose when Cisse scored his 90th minute winner against Fulham last season, that was far more exciting and such a better position to be in 

 

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Mike-Tyson-clapping-and-laughing.gif

[BrettNUFC]

[BlueStar]

Maybe next year we'll meet our target of 40 points by February and be able to give up on the season even earlier, we're getting more efficient all the time!

[Elliottman]

Most of the criticism is completely separate from league position TBF, which is fair enough I suppose.

 

Yeah but if we are doing well in the league and you get a last minute winner and only a give a 'meh', you are hardly happy with the way things are going in the league. Results went our way this weekend with Everton and Southampton both dropping points and i think it's only natural to want to finish higher than them even if it doesn't make a huge difference.

 

 

Absolutely clueless .