Flip Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Is that for real? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Motherfuck. There is such a massive disconnect between the average fan and those that have any sort of power in the game that bizarro-world decisions like these don't even shock us anymore. Fuck everything, seriously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 It's endemic. If you're a Geordie especially and you throw yourself about like an idiot and little else that constitutes graft and understanding the physicality of the league. Forget creativity or being able to keep up. No doubt the same t***s who thought Alan Smith was crucial in getting us promoted. Wow, bit of a short term memory have we? Alan Smith was decent in the Championship in our team and filled a role that let the rest of the team play. If ever there was a needed, it's in response to that post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 No way. My memory of Alan Smith is chasing shadows and cropping people of any league he played in after his injury. A triumvate in midfield of Nolan, Barton and Jonas (Enrique in support) with Colocini at the back meant the likes of Smith flattered to deceive. Complete passenger yet people roared his crunching tackles despite bugger all else. He wasn't bad in the Championship at all. It was just his level at that time in his career. After we got promoted he never really played after we signed Tiote. He was s***, our season was massively better once Guthrie took his place in the side. He really wasn't. Just because he was shit at all other times he played for us it doesn't mean he was in the championship chrissake the revisionism is astounding on this board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 You're the one revising history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 No way. My memory of Alan Smith is chasing shadows and cropping people of any league he played in after his injury. A triumvate in midfield of Nolan, Barton and Jonas (Enrique in support) with Colocini at the back meant the likes of Smith flattered to deceive. Complete passenger yet people roared his crunching tackles despite bugger all else. He wasn't bad in the Championship at all. It was just his level at that time in his career. After we got promoted he never really played after we signed Tiote. He was s***, our season was massively better once Guthrie took his place in the side. He really wasn't. Just because he was s*** at all other times he played for us it doesn't mean he was in the championship chrissake the revisionism is astounding on this board. What was it that he actually did that placed him a level above shitness? My memory of him was being horrible on the ball and even worse off it, lunging into tackles and picking up bookings regularly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 You're the one revising history. So before you get in and admin revise it, I'll quote from his thread of that season. http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,65438.msg2051268.html#msg2051268 Of course there are a few counterpoints in the 4-page thread, regardless, he didn't have a shit season. Was the most hated player we've had in years for 2 seasons, booed regularly before games. Got to give the bloke credit. That is all. never hated him personally and tis great to see him do well as hes always been a player i'd hope would do well I'm glad he's coming good for us. You can't doubt his effort. Not the greatest player in the world but can't fault the lad's effort at the minute, keep it up. He isn't a liability in central midfield. He deserves credit for that. Would have never thought he'd end up as our holding midfield player. Fair play to him though, puts the effort in and has certainly been one of our best players this season. After that injury it is hard to imagin he goes in for all those hard tackle.. I was one of his critics but he won me over this time around. Well Done.... A f***ing beast in the midfield, i honestly think players are starting to get scared from going near him and trying to play away from him, really good yesterday. The game is too fast for him in Prem I think, good player at the moment mainly because we've dropped down a level. Smith's found his level in the Championship. I've been very impressed with him to be fair, but if we're promoted he needs to move on to another Championship club, he can't cut it in the Prem. The Alan Smith Guide to Popularity: a) accept pass from teammate b) immediately lose ball due to having a touch like a trampoline c) attempt lunging tackle to win ball back d) give opposition a throw in if lucky, free kick if not so lucky e) accept rapturous applause/yellow card f) repeat I think that's an incredibly harsh assessment of a player who is doing very well for us. is a harsh assessment but he is not doing very well for us either . What exactly are people expecting from the guy? He's leading the team, putting in a fair amount of ball winning tackles, he's giving good protection to the back four and just keeps the midfield ticking over, he never billed himself as anything more. Smith is far better than Butt. Butt had a decent game for his standards yesterday, but still had dangerous moments of giving the ball away. None of our players did much going fowards, thats why the entire game was long ball. You can hardly put that on smith. We're playing with 1 big man upfront being marked by two sometimes, with Nolan in midfield most of the time apart for goalkicks. Hardly the game for through balls. Anyway Smith suits his role, its down to Hughton to play Guthrie for the more advanced play. Not smith to do it if Butts shoved on to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 So before you get in and admin revise it, I'll quote from his thread of that season. :lol: See Wullie's posts. And that's from early in the season. Before we were loads better without him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Whilst he surprised me at the start of the season and was very uselful, he has been pretty much non exsistent since December, our performances improved in the 2nd half of the season without him. Hmm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I'm not debating that he's a shit footballer, but in that team in that season, he wasn't as glaringly bad as some people are making him out to be now. I won't take one or two dismissals of the player by one or two members vs the 10 or so above as supporting the fact he was playing shit either Yes we had better options, but he kinda just faded away and wasn't picked again (rightfully). Perhaps it's just a matter of defining shit, but at the time he was a marked improvement on Nicky Butt and he was far from an embarrassment in the shirt. I don't even know why I'm sticking up for the player, I loathed him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Love you too, Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 One of the few times I thought I might end up cringing at one of my past posts, but even that was really a veiled insult. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Smith was fucking terrible in the Championship. I remember thinking we'd win the league when we played Swansea away and we were absolutely shit with him and Butt in midfield and still somehow won. We won the league at a canter because Guthrie moved into the middle from the right and because we signed Routledge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Smith was fucking terrible in the Championship. I remember thinking we'd win the league when we played Swansea away and we were absolutely shit with him and Butt in midfield and still somehow won. We won the league at a canter because Guthrie moved into the middle from the right and because we signed Routledge. Smith and Butt as the central midfield pairing. It's quite frustrating that even now we still think it's a good idea to play two central midfielders who can't actually carry the ball forward for more than 3 yards before looking to pass the ball to someone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hithere Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Both Colback and Noble were f***ing awful at times yesterday. Yet they are both almost guaranteed a start. I honestly have no idea what managers see, in these sideways and backwards cloggers. Yes Noble is the captain, but he is still a very limited footballer. I guess occasionally getting stuck in, and taking the easy option pass every time, is enough to please managers and some fans. Passhun Think that's harsh on Noble. Technically a very good footballer. Colback was shocking the other night but have no fear he will never be dropped. I think he'd actually be a half decent option for you lot at left back where his flaws are less exposed. His shitness was only surpassed by Haidara against West Ham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Smith was fucking terrible in the Championship. I remember thinking we'd win the league when we played Swansea away and we were absolutely shit with him and Butt in midfield and still somehow won. We won the league at a canter because Guthrie moved into the middle from the right and because we signed Routledge. It was Nolan and Smith in the middle that day. And yes, they were absolutely fucking shit. We drew 1-1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I thought we'd won that game too, it felt like a win because of how fucking awful we'd been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I thought we'd won that game too, it felt like a win because of how f***ing awful we'd been. Carroll equalised in injury time iirc?! Early Saturday match?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I thought we'd won that game too, it felt like a win because of how f***ing awful we'd been. Carroll equalised in injury time iirc?! Early Saturday match?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppe Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 He can pop up anywhere This ffs! Every god damn time he got the ball too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Those quotes man. Jesus. I won't disagree he made the effort and I think that's where a lot of the goodwill comes from. His level so much so in the championship he ended up at MK Dons. Colback is ten times the player like but he runs around a lot chasing shadows whilst being a tidy passer so he'll get leeway. Never have I seen such a fervent defence of such a abysmal player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Those quotes man. Jesus. I won't disagree he made the effort and I think that's where a lot of the goodwill comes from. His level so much so in the championship he ended up at MK Dons. Colback is ten times the player like but he runs around a lot chasing shadows whilst being a tidy passer so he'll get leeway. Never have I seen such a fervent defence of such a abysmal player All I was trying to say is that it's very easy to go back and say 'he was shit all the time', when he actually was significantly less shit in that season. Kevin Nolan was why we got promoted imho, nothing to do with Alan Smith, and I like I said before, I think he descended overall to an abysmal player. After that season in which he was Championship-level, he dropped off again and went MK Dons after not getting a look in after Tiote's barnstorming first season. It's all the rage nowadays to describe careers in totality in hyperbole, when a lot of the times players have ups and downs. Alan Smith had a few ups, and lots of downs. That season was probably his best for us. Still a crap player mind, but it wasn't glaringly obvious he was the weak link in the team at the time like Cisse is for us now and Williamson before him where after every match there is outrage and justified criticism. Alan Smith hardly had any threads kept up to date in that season, because those who hated him/loathed him couldn't keep fuelling the anti-Smith feeling while he wasn't playing that bad, and he never had any fans either so he got practically no praise either. ..so if anyone wants to agree to disagree, I still say he's shit, he wasn't the reason we got promoted (that's a bit of a stretch from what I've said to say the least!), but that season in the Championship he wasn't completely out of place in our starting 11 pre-January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 We, as a club, love a pass that doesn't go infront of the man so he can run on to it. Have done for years. Aye, loads of space in front of our full back, then we pass directly to feet rather than ahead of him Yes, that sort of unconfident passing is a problem for our side. But Colback is the last player who can be accused of that. He is the one who most often tries to play it into someone's stride, rather than at their feet. The player has his faults, but that's not one of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I use hyperbole because I believe the entire time he was here he was shite. Any contribution to promotion was minimal and his presence in the team before hand was one of the many factors that got us relegated. The best I can say is that he was a passenger the entire time. I can only assume those above said those things because they wanted to like the members of the team who stayed on. Significantly less shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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