Ronaldo Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Right about what? It doesn't take a genius to be right about Hatem Ben Arfa. He's a (sometimes) brilliant right winger who consistently takes the easy route in his career. And it's unfortunately led him to two appalling defensively-minded managers who aren't going to let him do his thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 So good of a reply IP you had to post it twice? wot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Right about what? It doesn't take a genius to be right about Hatem Ben Arfa. He's a (sometimes) brilliant right winger who consistently takes the easy route in his career. And it's unfortunately led him to two appalling defensively-minded managers who aren't going to let him do his thing. You're just increasingly Captain Hindsight these days, but have a habit of making out you've always said it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I don't know if you're seeing things again but not at one point have I referred to previous opinions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 When did you decide Ben Arfa's main problem was not having a set of balls rather than not being managed correctly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 When did you decide Ben Arfa's main problem was not having a set of balls rather than not being managed correctly? I've alluded to him taking the easy way out in the past. If you look back in this thread it'll have been said in the summer. I remember discussing it before the season started. In all seriousness this is a bit of a waste of time. As much as Pardew's badly mismanaged him since late 2012 Hatem's more responsible than anyone else for being out of favour on loan at Hull City during the prime of his career. Hardly profound. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 How is joining clubs like us and Hull taking the easy way out? Wouldn't doing what Scott Sinclair and co have done be taking the easy way out? He could have stayed here and just not played, or in Marseille. I don't see it, I don't think he's innocent by any means, but the easy way out/no balls route is utter bullshit considering what we all know happened after the Man United match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Fair play to him if he stood up to Pardew. All we know for sure is that he calls him the best manager he's ever worked with and said the other month that he shouldn't be sacked in spite of the fact that fan groups has mobilised against Pardew partially in defence of Hatem himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Still trying to save a little face, Hatem, Ron. Think he's just trying to be political over it. I'll stand firmly behind the lack of any bit of foresight by Pardew to have been complicit in robbing US the supporters of getting to see a talent like him weekly. Pardew would have gotten a longer leash had he just vocally supported Hatem and left him out at RW, imo. Hatem also packed on weight (muscle or fat, whatever) and was never able to stay or look fit; fair enough. But anyway, I'll always blame Pardew first - he's a fucking manager acting like a sad, pissed, unprofessional clown - at all times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Ben Arfa's fallen out with pretty much every manager he's ever worked with. They can't all be Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Pretty impressive, that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Ben Arfa's fallen out with pretty much every manager he's ever worked with. They can't all be Pardew. That is an obvious and unarguable point, and it is testament to the stubbornness of human nature that so many people are not prepared to even moderate their views, in the light of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie1892 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 any official reason as to why he was dropped? like someone else has said, he has fallen out with every manager he has had, plus teammates from the age of 15/16 (see youtube for his fight with i think abou diaby at that french academy) If thats his general human nature and he gets his team mates wound up (we have all heard the rumours of colo and the senior players fucking him off) then again despite his mercurial ability to have one amazing game in every 10 i dont want him back. I would much rather play aarons and sammy every week who put the effort in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 fuckin yas effort http://images.moneysavingexpert.com/images/Massive_queue.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 A shame. Playing under Pardew & Brucey though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Think I'm now at the point where I don't think we will be any better off with HBA. Yes he would be better under different management, but under that scenario I still think we would have better options in Cabella and Aarons and whoever else we may buy. We have seen him at his best, and it was amazing, but I'm moving on from it with good memories. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Nobody doubts he has the talent to succeed at the top level. Unfortunately his attitude and application seem to be a bit off and without those you'll never be a top player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 WHEN DID YOU DECIDE THIS? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 WHEN DID YOU DECIDE THIS? JUST AFTER YOUR CAPS LOCK BROKE. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Well that didn't work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 any official reason as to why he was dropped? like someone else has said, he has fallen out with every manager he has had, plus teammates from the age of 15/16 (see youtube for his fight with i think abou diaby at that french academy) If thats his general human nature and he gets his team mates wound up (we have all heard the rumours of colo and the senior players fucking him off) then again despite his mercurial ability to have one amazing game in every 10 i dont want him back. I would much rather play aarons and sammy every week who put the effort in Why does it matter really if he puts in as much effort as everybody else. We aren't going to get relegated no matter what, there are too many bad teams in the league so we might aswell play the most exciting player we have even if he does have faults Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie1892 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 any official reason as to why he was dropped? like someone else has said, he has fallen out with every manager he has had, plus teammates from the age of 15/16 (see youtube for his fight with i think abou diaby at that french academy) If thats his general human nature and he gets his team mates wound up (we have all heard the rumours of colo and the senior players f***ing him off) then again despite his mercurial ability to have one amazing game in every 10 i dont want him back. I would much rather play aarons and sammy every week who put the effort in Why does it matter really if he puts in as much effort as everybody else. We aren't going to get relegated no matter what, there are too many bad teams in the league so we might aswell play the most exciting player we have even if he does have faults because football is too much of a tactical and demanding game these days to carry one person on the pitch. For example, if HBA is playing right wing (as many want him to do) against lets say Everton, his man to keep an eye on is Leighton Baines Now if your not bothered about him working hard then thats Baines and Mirallas on the left against Janmaat. I would much rather play someone there that will make the effort to get back with Baines to help out than someone who doesnt put that effort in to get back and help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 On the other hand would Baines be such a threat if he was forced to stay back and worry about OUR winger? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 On the other hand would Baines be such a threat if he was forced to stay back and worry about OUR winger? Maybe this did happen regularly where the opposition full back had a blinder when HBA was on the pitch but I can't remember it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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