loki679 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 It's stupid. It's the sort of thinking that leads to playing Shola for his defensive abilities at set pieces or Gouffran for his tracking back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Riddled with myths as well. Mercurial One game in ten Doesn't work hard All total bullshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie1892 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Riddled with myths as well. Mercurial One game in ten Doesn't work hard All total bullshit. explain please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Riddled with myths as well. Mercurial One game in ten Doesn't work hard All total bullshit. Fine. Love the guy too. So why the dickens were European clubs seemingly so unwilling to invest anything in his signature last summer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie1892 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 On the other hand would Baines be such a threat if he was forced to stay back and worry about OUR winger? i can see this way of thinking and agree with you that lesser players than Baines would be terrified of getting there to support the attack because of the threat however taking baines as an example.. he puts the effort in to do both, he supports the attack then works his arse off to get back, same as Ashley Cole did and all top full backs do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Riddled with myths as well. Mercurial One game in ten Doesn't work hard All total bullshit. Totally agree - his end product was actually pretty impressive, especially when you consider his fairly sporadic runs in the team. And the stuff about his workrate was always overexaggerated - I'd be interested how many goals where people could directly point to HBA as being the main reason why the goal was conceded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Riddled with myths as well. Mercurial One game in ten Doesn't work hard All total bullshit. explain please It doesn't need to be explained. He's simply not mercurial, when he was played he was generally consistent or much more consistent than other players. His record, again when played was not at all one in ten and I never had problems with him not tracking back. It's a myth based on the fact that he's a tricky winger. Tricky winger, takes risks, takes people on=memories of Ginola, Robert et al and therefore must be lazy. The irony being that the stereotype is exactly that, lazy. And wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie1892 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 That kind of proves the point that although he probably could have done more with his talent, his output is pretty good compared to two of the best wingers we've ever had who were playing under far superior managers in a far superior team... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Riddled with myths as well. Mercurial One game in ten Doesn't work hard All total bullshit. Fine. Love the guy too. So why the dickens were European clubs seemingly so unwilling to invest anything in his signature last summer? Again with this We've seen plenty of players move to 'lesser' clubs in the past, it's no indication of anything and I have no idea why people choose to cite nonsense like this over things they've actually witnessed with their own eyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Ignore your eyes and rely upon some made up arbitrary idea that 'if he was so good such and such would be after him' completely ignoring the fact that he was behind fucking Shola (now at a second division Greek team) or Dan Gosling (now at Championship Bournemouth) or Gouffran, or Obertan. All of whom started ahead of him and all of whom no one bats an eyelid about no one, let alone big teams wanting, and despite everyone knowing to be absolute dog shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Every single game he played on the right side of a front three, he was a terror. Nothing else to be said. I am still waiting for an explanation on why he was ever taken away from that position, especially after that season where he was so devastating there, alongside Cisse and Ba. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 On the other hand would Baines be such a threat if he was forced to stay back and worry about OUR winger? i can see this way of thinking and agree with you that lesser players than Baines would be terrified of getting there to support the attack because of the threat however taking baines as an example.. he puts the effort in to do both, he supports the attack then works his arse off to get back, same as Ashley Cole did and all top full backs do. I don't think you can put Baines in the same league as Ashley Cole defensively Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Every single game he played on the right side of a front three, he was a terror. Nothing else to be said. I am still waiting for an explanation on why he was ever taken away from that position, especially after that season where he was so devastating there, alongside Cisse and Ba. One highlighted, the other probably how often Debuchy got himself forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Riddled with myths as well. Mercurial One game in ten Doesn't work hard All total bullshit. Fine. Love the guy too. So why the dickens were European clubs seemingly so unwilling to invest anything in his signature last summer? Again with this We've seen plenty of players move to 'lesser' clubs in the past, it's no indication of anything and I have no idea why people choose to cite nonsense like this over things they've actually witnessed with their own eyes. I know with my own eyes he's the kind of talented and exciting player I long to have playing for us. I'm asking the question because it's frankly baffling that nobody (including Pardew) wanted him based on what we've all seen, but they clearly have some kind of reasoning behind it and I'd like to know what it is. You say we have seen plenty of players move to 'lesser' clubs, but none that I can remember as skilfull and at such a young age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Every single game he played on the right side of a front three, he was a terror. Nothing else to be said. I am still waiting for an explanation on why he was ever taken away from that position, especially after that season where he was so devastating there, alongside Cisse and Ba. One highlighted, the other probably how often Debuchy got himself forward. Can't help but feel Pardew was always going to find a reason to drop him regardless. Just so annoying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Riddled with myths as well. Mercurial One game in ten Doesn't work hard All total bullshit. Fine. Love the guy too. So why the dickens were European clubs seemingly so unwilling to invest anything in his signature last summer? Again with this We've seen plenty of players move to 'lesser' clubs in the past, it's no indication of anything and I have no idea why people choose to cite nonsense like this over things they've actually witnessed with their own eyes. I know with my own eyes he's the kind of talented and exciting player I long to have playing for us. I'm asking the question because it's frankly baffling that nobody (including Pardew) wanted him based on what we've all seen, but they clearly have some kind of reasoning behind it and I'd like to know what it is. You say we have seen plenty of players move to 'lesser' clubs, but none that I can remember as skilfull and at such a young age. It's simple, he disagreed with Pardball, hated the ultra defensive hoofball we played, was the only one willing to task Pardew on his gameplan and was despised for it, how dare he question the King?? That's when the muck throwing began, the old adage stays true, you throw enough muck, it sticks. "He's a trouble maker" "he's lazy/doesn't track back" "he damages the harmony in the squad". I've been tarnished with lies, worked my arse off and it still haunts me at work for those higher up that don't know me personally. These things don't go away no matter how many times you prove yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Riddled with myths as well. Mercurial One game in ten Doesn't work hard All total bullshit. Fine. Love the guy too. So why the dickens were European clubs seemingly so unwilling to invest anything in his signature last summer? Again with this We've seen plenty of players move to 'lesser' clubs in the past, it's no indication of anything and I have no idea why people choose to cite nonsense like this over things they've actually witnessed with their own eyes. I know with my own eyes he's the kind of talented and exciting player I long to have playing for us. I'm asking the question because it's frankly baffling that nobody (including Pardew) wanted him based on what we've all seen, but they clearly have some kind of reasoning behind it and I'd like to know what it is. You say we have seen plenty of players move to 'lesser' clubs, but none that I can remember as skilfull and at such a young age. When he was eventually loaned to Hull his stock wasn't exactly high, he looked overweight in some photos and that was completely overblown in the media, he was rebelling against the manager and wasn't playing football. Alan Pardew and Steve Bruce have been the 2 managers in charge of his management the past 4 years. I honestly don't think there's anything more to it, they're terrible managers from the same school of thought. Maybe he is a bit of a dick, I don't know, but I do know that Alan Pardew had no genuine reasons for not playing him and I'd be very surprised it it wasn't the same case with Bruce (who also seems to think he's an attacking midfielder which he patently isn't), but by not playing him you're allowing him to slip under the radar and be scrutinised, which is what's happening now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Why do all players have to track back? Bizarre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I find it more bizarre that Bruce publicly praised HBA for being "professional" and dropped him after just 1 month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I don't find it bizarre at all, that sounds like Pardew trick and Bruce is cut from exactly the same cloth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I imagine any manager in the world would prefer to play defensive midfielder David Meyler out of position on the wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Brucey's a complete mong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 but I do know that Alan Pardew had no genuine reasons for not playing him No you dont. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Howeh then. We're listening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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