Guest hatem garrincha Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 All Ben Arfa wants to do is play good attacking football, roaming around in attack waiting for the ball so he can run at people and score amazing goals. The difference in talent between him and Gouffran is World's apart,but because Gouffran defends (albeit poorly) he's deemed as the better footballer. Unbelievable. Hatem is not Pro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 If Ginola was picked for the team based on his attitude in training he'd never of played a game for anyone. Steve howey was on total sport the other night saying ginola worked hard in training. Aye he was and he said if he didn't work he was told to in no uncertain terms and took on board the criticism and knuckled down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 All Ben Arfa wants to do is play good attacking football, roaming around in attack waiting for the ball so he can run at people and score amazing goals. The difference in talent between him and Gouffran is World's apart,but because Gouffran defends (albeit poorly) he's deemed as the better footballer. Unbelievable. And yet with all that talent, HBA can't adhere to even the most basic rules of being a "professional" footballer. He's not Messi ffs. People should put their hatred for Pardew aside for one second and judge this lad on his consistent behaviour with a number of managers. It's a shame but that's the way it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 All Ben Arfa wants to do is play good attacking football, roaming around in attack waiting for the ball so he can run at people and score amazing goals. The difference in talent between him and Gouffran is World's apart,but because Gouffran defends (albeit poorly) he's deemed as the better footballer. Unbelievable. But he has got a terrible attitude, for all his talent (and I loved watching him at his best), he was so inconsistent, didn't look arsed, wasn't making runs to receive the ball and often sat behind the Full back. He thought he was a number 10 and just isn't capable of playing there because his movement is not good enough. Now that's not to say I would have Gouffran instead of him but people really need to stop the Ben Arfa love in, he performed once in a while and was great for you tube clips, other times he was just fucking frustrating - you could argue we did not setup right in an attacking sense, but even when he had chances he failed to deliver all too often. You could hope that an attacking manager would turn him round but I don't think it's going to happen, he just doesn't have the right attitude or drive, he probably had the capacity to be as good as the top players but he lacked those 2 attributes that set the likes of Ronaldo, Bale, Messi, Suarez apart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 All Ben Arfa wants to do is play good attacking football, roaming around in attack waiting for the ball so he can run at people and score amazing goals. The difference in talent between him and Gouffran is World's apart,but because Gouffran defends (albeit poorly) he's deemed as the better footballer. Unbelievable. And yet with all that talent, HBA can't adhere to even the most basic rules of being a "professional" footballer. He's not Messi ffs. People should put their hatred for Pardew aside for one second and judge this lad on his consistent behaviour with a number of managers. It's a shame but that's the way it is. Any specifics on what he does or doesn't do right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 All Ben Arfa wants to do is play good attacking football, roaming around in attack waiting for the ball so he can run at people and score amazing goals. The difference in talent between him and Gouffran is World's apart,but because Gouffran defends (albeit poorly) he's deemed as the better footballer. Unbelievable. And yet with all that talent, HBA can't adhere to even the most basic rules of being a "professional" footballer. He's not Messi ffs. People should put their hatred for Pardew aside for one second and judge this lad on his consistent behaviour with a number of managers. It's a shame but that's the way it is. Any specifics on what he does or doesn't do right? His movement is not that great, always waits for the ball to come to him rather than making space for players, despite having the talent to take players on and create he all to often didn't really bother and his attitude seems a bit shit, plus he was a right fat cunt by the time he left us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Wouldn't have Gouffran over him (as a winger) but without doubt I would have Cabella, Aarons and possibly Sammy over him. He has had the best moments of his career now. Thanks for the memories. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winn Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I dont know what goes on in the background so cant comment on why he has fell out with managers in the past etc. But from what I have seen he is a great player who gives his all... Not the best defensively or physically but does try and get back (most of the time). He was always looking for the ball... moving into space....taking people on? He was our most talented player by far. Such a shame!! my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Wouldn't have Gouffran over him (as a winger) but without doubt I would have Cabella, Aarons and possibly Sammy over him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Wouldn't have Gouffran over him (as a winger) but without doubt I would have Cabella, Aarons and possibly Sammy over him. James opinion is James opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I can't really remember a time in his entire career here where he was given a fair chance to play regularly and build his performances. People seem to forget just how talented he is, possibly the most talented player we've ever had. There must be some truth in his attitude problems I suppose, it's frustrating not knowing what actually goes on. To me it seems like a manager should just put him out every week and let him do his thing regardless, but I know professional sport can't really work like that. Overall it's just a massive loss because he is the kind of player we all love and has the talent to be one of the very best. And also, we've given his chances to massively inferior players who don't make the side any better anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 FWIW, I worked this out the other week for all these '1 game in 10' idiots. Gouffran and Sissoko's stats are slightly out as a result, but neither have scored since, so if anything it's doing them a favour. Mata's is out as well because he's scored against Liverpool since this. HBA (48 starts) 1 goal per 3.5 PL starts 1 assist per 4 PL starts Gouffran (56 starts) 1 goal per 6 PL starts 1 assist per PL 14 starts Obertan (26 starts) 1 goal per 13 PL starts 1 assist per 4 PL starts R. Taylor (31 starts) 1 goal per 10 PL starts 1 assist per 6 PL starts Sissoko (61 starts) 1 goal per 8 PL starts 1 assist per 7 PL starts ...and now just for fun, compare him to an undoubtedly world class player, about the same age, playing in the same position, dropped for apparently not tracking back and being lazy, recently sold for £37 million. Juan Mata (96 starts) 1 goal per 3.5 PL starts 1 assist per 3 PL starts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papavasiliou Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 FWIW, I worked this out the other week for all these '1 game in 10' idiots. Gouffran and Sissoko's stats are slightly out as a result, but neither have scored since, so if anything it's doing them a favour. Mata's is out as well because he's scored against Liverpool since this. HBA (48 starts) 1 goal per 3.5 PL starts 1 assist per 4 PL starts Gouffran (56 starts) 1 goal per 6 PL starts 1 assist per PL 14 starts Obertan (26 starts) 1 goal per 13 PL starts 1 assist per 4 PL starts R. Taylor (31 starts) 1 goal per 10 PL starts 1 assist per 6 PL starts Sissoko (61 starts) 1 goal per 8 PL starts 1 assist per 7 PL starts ...and now just for fun, compare him to an undoubtedly world class player, about the same age, playing in the same position, dropped for apparently not tracking back and being lazy, recently sold for £37 million. Juan Mata (96 starts) 1 goal per 3.5 PL starts 1 assist per 3 PL starts. End product apparently doesn't matter unless you run a million miles a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Nothing worse than an attacking player with fucking end product Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Get those stats on twitter...! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I'd have to update them to include the extra games that Gouffran, Sissoko and Mata have had and I can't really be arsed considering it'll be completely ignored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Fair enough - would be interesting to ask one of the Chronicle/Journal guys to work out themselves the next time they write a provocative article about HBA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I put that in two comments on the Chronicle website when people were saying he was a 1 in 10 player. They just didn't reply. They don't care that they're wrong, they just carry on in their cognitive dissonance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 FWIW, I worked this out the other week for all these '1 game in 10' idiots. Gouffran and Sissoko's stats are slightly out as a result, but neither have scored since, so if anything it's doing them a favour. Mata's is out as well because he's scored against Liverpool since this. HBA (48 starts) 1 goal per 3.5 PL starts 1 assist per 4 PL starts Gouffran (56 starts) 1 goal per 6 PL starts 1 assist per PL 14 starts Obertan (26 starts) 1 goal per 13 PL starts 1 assist per 4 PL starts R. Taylor (31 starts) 1 goal per 10 PL starts 1 assist per 6 PL starts Sissoko (61 starts) 1 goal per 8 PL starts 1 assist per 7 PL starts ...and now just for fun, compare him to an undoubtedly world class player, about the same age, playing in the same position, dropped for apparently not tracking back and being lazy, recently sold for £37 million. Juan Mata (96 starts) 1 goal per 3.5 PL starts 1 assist per 3 PL starts. Yeah, but Hatem was personally and directly responsible for us conceding over 3000 goals in those games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Fair enough - would be interesting to ask one of the Chronicle/Journal guys to work out themselves the next time they write a provocative article about HBA. And they'll point you in the direction of Bruce and what he seems to be saying. If a player can't or wont buy into what the team are doing in training, then after initially trying to accommodate his undoubted talent, he's not going to get into the squad or out onto the pitch and individual stats ultimately mean chuff all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 That doesn't change the fact that he should have been being played here. Training means nothing if it doesn't match what you do at the weekend. Shola proved that over the last decade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevo Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 As if i have just read someone saying the might possibly prefer Sammy Ameobi over HBA, hahaha! what is happening to this club? edit: Talent wins games, not having a good attitude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 As if i have just read someone saying the might possibly prefer Sammy Ameobi over HBA, hahaha! what is happening to this club? Pardew is like religion. Leading the blind and the stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hatem-ben-arfa-set-move-8315477 Hatem Ben Arfa is wanted by Greek giants Olympiakos - and a French film maker. We understand that Ben Arfa, who has been told by Newcastle that he won’t be back at the club, is examining the possibility move to Greece next month. His agent, Michel Ouzaine, insisted his player will get signed up in January. And in-keeping with the oddness that has always surrounded Ben Arfa, a fly on the wall documentary will be made about the Frenchman’s life away from football. Ouzaine said: “There are a lot of clubs interested in him, despite everything that has been said. He will have a new club in January, that won’t be a problem, don’t you worry.” A more surprising development, according to 20minutes.fr is the work-in-progress that is the documentary being made about the former France international. Film-maker Bruno Sevaistre, who produced a documentary series from 1999 to 2002 that featured the daily lives of Ben Arfa and a host of other young players at France’s Clairefontaine football headquarters, has been given access to the footballer’s life away from the pitch. In the ‘A la Clairefontaine’ series, the teenage Ben Arfa and fellow future professional Abou Diaby were seen grappling in an angry exchange. Sevaistre said: “I feel a little responsible for all the media exposure around Hatem and the consequence this has had on his career. “This film, or this series - it hasn’t been decided yet - is a way to redress the balance. “We don’t always see the best of Hatem. I filmed him crying with those close to him, but he is a boy who is the total opposite to his reputation. He is sensitive, serious, fragile. “People don’t have any idea of the obstacles he has had to overcome in his career.” Ben Arfa played just nine times for Hull City following his loan move from United and Steve Bruce admitted last week that his signing had not worked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Will definitely watch Hatem's film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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