KaKa Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 It never ceases to amaze me how Alan Pardew managed to convince so many people that Ben Arfa wasn't good enough for us. Absolutely staggering. You know, just because I wasn't Ben Arfa's biggest fan doesn't mean I rate Pardew and hang on his every word... So your basing your opinion from actually watching him play then? I find that very difficult to believe when he was often the only source of any creativity or ingenuity in the whole side. Not only was he one of our best players, he was absolutely indispensable. I would have asked the full back on his side to not venture past halfway if it meant him staying in the side, and then have a midfielder cover for him defensively if need be. You know why? Because he was that vital for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Then they ask the crowd to stick with the team, and make some noise in the stadium. Ben Arfa got them doing that all by himself, with some of his play. But let's all forget that ever happened, because Pardew said. Honestly, this stuff is so difficult to stomach. Pardew will suffer multiple atrocities for the nonsense he has got away with in his time here. He will suffer terribly in due time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikenewcastle Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 It never ceases to amaze me how Alan Pardew managed to convince so many people that Ben Arfa wasn't good enough for us. Absolutely staggering. You know, just because I wasn't Ben Arfa's biggest fan doesn't mean I rate Pardew and hang on his every word... So your basing your opinion from actually watching him play then? I find that very difficult to believe when he was often the only source of any creativity or ingenuity in the whole side. Not only was he one of our best players, he was absolutely indispensable. I would have asked the full back on his side to not venture past halfway if it meant him staying in the side, and then have a midfielder cover for him defensively if need be. You know why? Because he was that vital for us. Please accept that I think he's a talented player who was a joy to watch when he played well, but never contributed anywhere near enough (in my humble opinion) to be revered to the extent that he is. I do not believe he would have made a significant positive impact on us this season (as he didn't last year or this year at Hull). Please also accept I am not an agent of Pardew, I can think for myself and wanted that bellend sacked while most of our fans were still going on about 'stability'. That's all I'm saying about it, I regret ever stating my unpopular (on this forum) opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Depends on your definition of significant, doesn't it? 2 points would be pretty fucking signficiant right now. And I for one reckon we'd have 2 points more if HBA was in our squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 He was more talented and more dangerous than anyone in our squad for years, therefore he should have played every week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Please accept that I think he's a talented player who was a joy to watch when he played well, but never contributed anywhere near enough (in my humble opinion) to be revered to the extent that he is. I do not believe he would have made a significant positive impact on us this season (as he didn't last year or this year at Hull). Please also accept I am not an agent of Pardew, I can think for myself and wanted that bellend sacked while most of our fans were still going on about 'stability'. That's all I'm saying about it, I regret ever stating my unpopular (on this forum) opinion. "At 15 and already labelled a prodigy, Ben Arfa joined Lyon, a club which had just won its first ever Ligue 1 championship. In August 2004, after spending two years in the youth divisions of the Lyon academy, he signed his first professional contract agreeing to a three-year deal, despite late interest from English club Chelsea and Dutch outfit Ajax." But that doesn't matter in your world because Sammy scored against Spurs and Obertan against Leicester. Wonder who was scouting them at 15? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Hull used him in a variety of positions within a direct 3-5-2 so anyone thinking that's the best use of HBA's talent needs a crack on the head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 He played 8 games for Hull and half of those were for less than 40 minutes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikenewcastle Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Please accept that I think he's a talented player who was a joy to watch when he played well, but never contributed anywhere near enough (in my humble opinion) to be revered to the extent that he is. I do not believe he would have made a significant positive impact on us this season (as he didn't last year or this year at Hull). Please also accept I am not an agent of Pardew, I can think for myself and wanted that bellend sacked while most of our fans were still going on about 'stability'. That's all I'm saying about it, I regret ever stating my unpopular (on this forum) opinion. "At 15 and already labelled a prodigy, Ben Arfa joined Lyon, a club which had just won its first ever Ligue 1 championship. In August 2004, after spending two years in the youth divisions of the Lyon academy, he signed his first professional contract agreeing to a three-year deal, despite late interest from English club Chelsea and Dutch outfit Ajax." But that doesn't matter in your world because Sammy scored against Spurs and Obertan against Leicester. Wonder who was scouting them at 15? OK, I said I wouldn't say anything else but I'll bite. I don't care about him in 2004. Let's look at the clubs who've been interested in him lately, Hull and Nice. No matter how many times I say I can't stand Sammy, Obertan or Pardew, I obviously must secretly love them all just because I don't think the sun shines out of Hatem's arse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 He didn't earn us two points (I.e. A significant contribution in the current context, given that you claim we'd be in the same situation) in the whole of last season? Are you sure about that? Seem to remember him coming off the bench late against Palace and crossing for Cisse to score. And scoring the only goal against Fulham at home. And both scoring and setting up the only goals away at Villa. None of that was worth the two points we're talking about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 I love it when the Hatem debate comes back BTW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikenewcastle Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 He didn't earn us two points in the whole of last season? Are you sure about that? Seem to remember him coming off the bench late against Palace and crossing for Cisse to score. And scoring the only goal against Fulham at home. And both scoring and setting up the only goals away at Villa. None of that was worth the two points we're talking about? Literally every player in the league has contributed to their team's points tally. By your logic, without Obertan we'd be relegated because of his goal v Leicester. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Oh my gosh ... I'm out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 He didn't earn us two points in the whole of last season? Are you sure about that? Seem to remember him coming off the bench late against Palace and crossing for Cisse to score. And scoring the only goal against Fulham at home. And both scoring and setting up the only goals away at Villa. None of that was worth the two points we're talking about? Literally every player in the league has contributed to their team's points tally. By your logic, without Obertan we'd be relegated because of his goal v Leicester. So if he'd played every game this season, we'd be on the same points or less? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 OK, I said I wouldn't say anything else but I'll bite. I don't care about him in 2004. Let's look at the clubs who've been interested in him lately, Hull and Nice. No matter how many times I say I can't stand Sammy, Obertan or Pardew, I obviously must secretly love them all just because I don't think the sun shines out of Hatem's arse. It has nothing to do with the sun shining out his arse. It's the FACT that he is a dangerous offensive player who can turn a game on it's head and win you points out of nothing. When we play teams do you think they were doubling up on Ben Arfa or Gouffran? Do you think all week in training the opposition labelled Obertan as the "Main threat". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Robert and Ginola were lazy cunts too. Fucking hate players like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikenewcastle Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 OK, I said I wouldn't say anything else but I'll bite. I don't care about him in 2004. Let's look at the clubs who've been interested in him lately, Hull and Nice. No matter how many times I say I can't stand Sammy, Obertan or Pardew, I obviously must secretly love them all just because I don't think the sun shines out of Hatem's arse. It has nothing to do with the sun shining out his arse. It's the FACT that he is a dangerous offensive player who can turn a game on it's head and win you points out of nothing. When we play teams do you think they were doubling up on Ben Arfa or Gouffran? Do you think all week in training the opposition labelled Obertan as the "Main threat". Why do you think only Hull and Nice will touch such a dangerous, offensive player then? Is the whole continent under Pardew's spell? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Are you sure you like Newcastle? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 All of this is moot because even if he was still here Carver would have him playing with the reserves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Hull are managed by Steve Bruce and are below us, and Nice legally aren't allowed to play him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 You seem to have left my question unanswered for about the third time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikenewcastle Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 You seem to have left my question unanswered for about the third time. I don't think he would have won us any more points than any of our current players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Becasue a large number of employed Football managers are uneducated former players, who in Steve Bruce's case especially, have received a large number of knocks to the head. These retards are so fixed in their stone age ways, they see no place for talented mavericks who don't conform to the 'work rate', 'ethic' or other buzzword bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Why do you think only Hull and Nice will touch such a dangerous, offensive player then? Is the whole continent under Pardew's spell? Because people like you believe Pardew's bullshit about being lazy, fat and not helping the team. The media believed it, other clubs fans believe it because they only pay attention to NUFC when the play us home and away. It doesn't take a fucking genius to see that he's an extremely talented individual, who's reputation has been dragged through the dirt to cover one managers short comings. And that is Alan Pardew. He played for the 2 biggest teams in France. And scored goals for us that I will never forget. He is the reason people fall in love with the sport and get off their seats at the match. He's a maverick and it's why we all follow the game. I suppose when you were a kid playing football on the field, you pretended to be somebody more hard working and trustworthy? Like Phil Neville. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 You seem to have left my question unanswered for about the third time. I don't think he would have won us any more points than any of our current players. Get to fuck man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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