Mattoon Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Why is this even a thing? Pardew was poor to useless in every way a manager shouldn't be, yes he's on a good run with Palace, just like he did well when he first came here, but that doesn't change what he became. There's no defending him as Manager of Newcastle United, he's a shit manager and will return to form soon enough. Come back and make your "erudite" points this time next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 He wasn't particularly amazing when he first took over here like, only won 5 of 21 (after the Liverpool game that the players dedicated to Hughton) and went out of the Cup in the third round to Stevenage. Finished 5th the season after of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 He wasn't particularly amazing when he first took over here like, only won 5 of 21 (after the Liverpool game that the players dedicated to Hughton) and went out of the Cup in the third round to Stevenage. Finished 5th the season after of course. Fair enough, he's still shit like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Butchered your delivery there KI. Whoosh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Butchered your delivery there KI. Whoosh. You mean w'oosh of course. Every time I see TCD abbreviating words and generally posting his shite, I think of one word: non'se. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 My mackem mate has asked if I regret helping Pardew out after seeming Palace over take us. Told him it doesn't matter if he's a blinding success at Palace and they finish top half, the job he done here was desperate. F'nado Torres (TCD, 2015) is a decent example, was ace at Liverpool, absolutely diabolical at Chelsea. Doesn't mean either set of fans were wrong for forming the world class then dogshit opinions based on what they seen infront of them at the time at the respective clubs. Pardew is, was, and always has been shit at NUFC. And I am under the belief it will come full circle at Palace eventually. Just a matter of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 My mackem mate has asked if I regret helping Pardew out after seeming Palace over take us. Told him it doesn't matter if he's a blinding success at Palace and they finish top half, the job he done here was desperate. F'nado Torres (TCD, 2015) is a decent example, was ace at Liverpool, absolutely diabolical at Chelsea. Doesn't mean either set of fans were wrong for forming the world class then dogshit opinions based on what they seen infront of them at the time at the respective clubs. Pardew is, was, and always has been shit at NUFC. And I am under the belief it will come full circle at Palace eventually. Just a matter of time. A good example is a turd. It's a turd, no matter whether it's floating or sinking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 The main source of dissonance between Pardew's reputation inside and outside the North East is the 10th place finish. Its decent to outsiders, but it is not reflective of our performance levels. We lost more games last season than in 08/09 and were regularly battered 3 or 4 nil. We could and should have finished much lower in the table last season. By almost every other metric bar points, whether that be goal difference, goals conceded, goals scored, games lost, we were a poor team. We finished 10th because we had a large number of fortunate wins and because the premier league in general was very poor last season. Look how similar the two are in most fields. Its uncanny. http://i.imgur.com/PtKfAX2.png If he'd stayed we would have finished in the bottom half this season and probably done as bad or worse next season i.e. regressing to the Pardew mean: poor bottom half finishes with a top half budget and squad. LOL.. one won over twice the amount of games. Are you just going to ignore that little statistic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 It highlights how marginal and unsustainable the approach was. A narrow win or get hammered, relegation style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Incandenza Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 The main source of dissonance between Pardew's reputation inside and outside the North East is the 10th place finish. Its decent to outsiders, but it is not reflective of our performance levels. We lost more games last season than in 08/09 and were regularly battered 3 or 4 nil. We could and should have finished much lower in the table last season. By almost every other metric bar points, whether that be goal difference, goals conceded, goals scored, games lost, we were a poor team. We finished 10th because we had a large number of fortunate wins and because the premier league in general was very poor last season. Look how similar the two are in most fields. Its uncanny. http://i.imgur.com/PtKfAX2.png If he'd stayed we would have finished in the bottom half this season and probably done as bad or worse next season i.e. regressing to the Pardew mean: poor bottom half finishes with a top half budget and squad. LOL.. one won over twice the amount of games. Are you just going to ignore that little statistic? Thats my whole point. Our wins were incongruous with our performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 The main source of dissonance between Pardew's reputation inside and outside the North East is the 10th place finish. Its decent to outsiders, but it is not reflective of our performance levels. We lost morey games last season than in 08/09 and were regularly battered 3 or 4 nil. We could and should have finished much lower in the table last season. By almost every other metric bar points, whether that be goal difference, goals conceded, goals scored, games lost, we were a poor team. We finished 10th because we had a large number of fortunate wins and because the premier league in general was very poor last season. Look how similar the two are in most fields. Its uncanny. http://i.imgur.com/PtKfAX2.png If he'd stayed we would have finished in the bottom half this season and probably done as bad or worse next season i.e. regressing to the Pardew mean: poor bottom half finishes with a top half budget and squad. LOL.. one won over twice the amount of games. Are you just going to ignore that little statistic? Isolating one statistic to prove a point is petty to say the least when the other statistics tell the real story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 The real story is the points on the board. It was top 6 form for half the season, then bottom 6 form for the other. That's the whole story. Went to Old Trafford.. won 1-0 and we deserved it. The reverse fixture, we were awful and got spanked 0-4 or something. Like I mentioned up thread - that's pretty much the nature of that season. We were not lucky in the first half of that season. It mirrored the 5th season in many ways.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillClinton Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Other then never actually being in 5th place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Bottom 6 form is putting it mildly. We got 16 points from the final 19 league games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 We squeaked many results marginally, unconvincingly, and often undeservedly during the good runs including the season we were 5th. What's your point? Playing like that, your luck always runs out. Part of the reason people talk about the style of play, other than it being almost unbearable to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Who's that in response to? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Rudderless. f***ing class tbh, great premise for a film and surprised I'd never heard of it. On UK Netflix. Been playing on my mind much of the day, this. What a good film. Polic just talks to himself these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Incandenza Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Statistics do seem to support the belief of most of our support that league position masked poor performance. http://statsbomb.com/2014/12/under-pardew-could-newcastle-do-better/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Unbelievable that someone who has been here over the whole of Alan Pardew's tenure and has read and participated in endless discussions about his lack of ability and the shite job he did here can suddenly turn and come out with such shit. Here, TCD, I think you need to refresh your memory: http://sackpardew.com/facts/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I'm aware of the stats. I don't believe the good results where unconvincing or undeserved despite slim margins on the whole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Rudderless. f***ing class tbh, great premise for a film and surprised I'd never heard of it. On UK Netflix. Been playing on my mind much of the day, this. What a good film. Polic just talks to himself these days. Sorry, I was talking to the shit Ronaldo. College Dropout - why have you started taking yourself so seriously recently? A glance at your earlier posts seems to suggest you were quite humble and normal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 And that was a good film recommendation worth reinforcing, so get fucked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I'm aware of the stats. I don't believe the good results where unconvincing or undeserved despite slim margins on the whole. Aye. We deserved 5th that season and Pardew deserved Manager of the Year. The same way we deserved being nowt but a mid-table clobber of a side and he deserved the stick and criticism he got the rest of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I'm aware of the stats. I don't believe the good results where unconvincing or undeserved despite slim margins on the whole. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 The real story is the points on the board. It was top 6 form for half the season, then bottom 6 form for the other. That's the whole story. That half a season was mainly down to the second quarter 9 games where we won 7 and drew 1. We actually only beat Fulham(lucky) Villa & Cardiff in the first 9 games and we all know how pathetic the final half was. Its hard to praise a manager when the only good period is a small sample of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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