Slim Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Will the Oldham fans be refusing to go to the game because of this? I bet not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 But he doesn't work with Children? On a practical level I think any club will be very careful about using in any sort of youth ambassadorial role. No, but you can't away from the fact that children look up to footballers as role models. We all had replica shirts with our favourite player's name on the back, posters on the wall, hanging on their every word on TV/radio etc. If that isn't a position of trust, I don't know what is. He is a convicted rapist by the letter of the law. Following the same law, he is not banned from carrying on as a footballer after his conviction. If he was a teacher or social worker then he would be banned as they are classed as "regulated activities". Being a footballer is not a "regulated activity" by the letter of the law. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 But he doesn't work with Children? On a practical level I think any club will be very careful about using in any sort of youth ambassadorial role. No, but you can't away from the fact that children look up to footballers as role models. We all had replica shirts with our favourite player's name on the back, posters on the wall, hanging on their every word on TV/radio etc. If that isn't a position of trust, I don't know what is. He is a convicted rapist by the letter of the law. Following the same law, he is not banned from carrying on as a footballer after his conviction. If he was a teacher or social worker then he would be banned as they are classed as "regulated activities". Being a footballer is not a "regulated activity" by the letter of the law. I know it's not. I never said it was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 But he doesn't work with Children? On a practical level I think any club will be very careful about using in any sort of youth ambassadorial role. No, but you can't away from the fact that children look up to footballers as role models. We all had replica shirts with our favourite player's name on the back, posters on the wall, hanging on their every word on TV/radio etc. If that isn't a position of trust, I don't know what is. He is a convicted rapist by the letter of the law. Following the same law, he is not banned from carrying on as a footballer after his conviction. If he was a teacher or social worker then he would be banned as they are classed as "regulated activities". Being a footballer is not a "regulated activity" by the letter of the law. I know it's not. I never said it was. I believe a footballer is a "position of trust" and as such' date=' he shouldn't be allowed back into football atm.[/quote'] If that isn't a position of trust' date=' I don't know what is.[/quote'] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 But he doesn't work with Children? On a practical level I think any club will be very careful about using in any sort of youth ambassadorial role. No, but you can't away from the fact that children look up to footballers as role models. We all had replica shirts with our favourite player's name on the back, posters on the wall, hanging on their every word on TV/radio etc. If that isn't a position of trust, I don't know what is. It's uncomfortable because of the offence but I can't take issue with the principle that somebody should be able to get on with their lives once they have done the punishment society has demanded. Ched Evans didn't decide the punishment he should face. I think that's actually quite an important lesson to teach young people. Certainly much more important than the notion of the footballer as role model. Parents should be the role models for children. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Rolf Harris isn't banned from going back to Animal Hospital when he comes out either, doesn't mean he'll be allowed to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Ched is entitled to go back to football. Football is entitled to turn its back on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 But he doesn't work with Children? On a practical level I think any club will be very careful about using in any sort of youth ambassadorial role. No, but you can't away from the fact that children look up to footballers as role models. We all had replica shirts with our favourite player's name on the back, posters on the wall, hanging on their every word on TV/radio etc. If that isn't a position of trust, I don't know what is. He is a convicted rapist by the letter of the law. Following the same law, he is not banned from carrying on as a footballer after his conviction. If he was a teacher or social worker then he would be banned as they are classed as "regulated activities". Being a footballer is not a "regulated activity" by the letter of the law. I know it's not. I never said it was. I believe a footballer is a "position of trust" and as such' date=' he shouldn't be allowed back into football atm.[/quote'] If that isn't a position of trust' date=' I don't know what is.[/quote'] Just conveniently miss the other half of my first post there . Nevermind, here it is for you: I'm using it generally to relate it to this case, as opposed to specifically for this case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Rolf Harris isn't banned from going back to Animal Hospital when he comes out either, doesn't mean he'll be allowed to. I laughed way too much at this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 On the "role model" issue. If anyone has Ched Evans as role model, then surely the major thing they are going to take away from this is not to copy what he did, but to avoid situations like that at all cost. He was imprisoned for 2 and a half years for what he obviously considered at the time to be just shagging a drunken slapper. If anything, having him in the public eye is a good cautionary tale for kids - diven't pick up any blart doon big market son, look at what happened to your hero Chedwyn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 But he doesn't work with Children? On a practical level I think any club will be very careful about using in any sort of youth ambassadorial role. No, but you can't away from the fact that children look up to footballers as role models. We all had replica shirts with our favourite player's name on the back, posters on the wall, hanging on their every word on TV/radio etc. If that isn't a position of trust, I don't know what is. He is a convicted rapist by the letter of the law. Following the same law, he is not banned from carrying on as a footballer after his conviction. If he was a teacher or social worker then he would be banned as they are classed as "regulated activities". Being a footballer is not a "regulated activity" by the letter of the law. I know it's not. I never said it was. I believe a footballer is a "position of trust" and as such' date=' he shouldn't be allowed back into football atm.[/quote'] If that isn't a position of trust' date=' I don't know what is.[/quote'] Just conveniently miss the other half of my first post there . Nevermind, here it is for you: I'm using it generally to relate it to this case, as opposed to specifically for this case. Personally, I think he should be allowed to return to professional football. The quicker he does, the quicker it'll be tomorrows chip shop paper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemagpie Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Positions of trust or working with kids has nothing to do with it. There are hundreds of occupations which you wouldn't be allowed to return to if you had a conviction for rape, in fact any sort of conviction in many cases. I bet you couldn't get a job with the council or as a Civil Servant for example. Even working in a supermarket or something like that. He should do what other people in his position would have to do and and find another way of making a living. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 On the "role model" issue. If anyone has Ched Evans as role model, then surely the major thing they are going to take away from this is not to copy what he did, but to avoid situations like that at all cost. He was imprisoned for 2 and a half years for what he obviously considered at the time to be just shagging a drunken slapper. If anything, having him in the public eye is a good cautionary tale for kids - diven't pick up any blart doon big market son, look at what happened to your hero Chedwyn. Slapper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 He should obviously be allowed back into football. If no fans are willing to accept him then he's fucked like. Is this not the problem though? As had been pointed out 20,000 people signed to keep him out of Oldham and they have gates of 4,000 or whatever. What do the fans have to do with it then? As regards the Lee Hughes and other fella example of them being allowed to resume their careers because they showed remorse - aye, well, they fucking did it beyond a shadow of doubt so they should be remorseful. Apparently though in the social media age nailed on murder + remorse < flimsy rape conviction + no fake remorse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 http://www.quickmeme.com/img/49/4953859d9d20daf3c0b78dc1730d17c8b9f710fb8b3bdbdb6a63267a5b9ae12c.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-2900409/Evans-statement-expected-Thursday.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 One of Oldham's sponsors has severed ties with the club ahead due to the "imminent signing" of convicted rapist Ched Evans. Verlin Solutions says it will no longer be associated with the club, who are expected to make a statement about the 26-year-old striker on Thursday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Zen Office Solutions also ended sponsorship deal apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiesteve710 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 The role model argument is a massive red herring Imo. If any parent is going to have genuine trouble explaining to their child that rape is a vile act, because Ched Evans is allowed to play football then they have serious, serious problems as a parent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Zen Office Solutions also ended sponsorship deal apparently. makes me think Oldham got world from Sports Direct that they won't end sponsorship on the stadium. Hell they'll probably become shirt sponsor too since its easy advertising Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Think the right decision has been made but he can count himself very lucky that Oldham have handed him the chance. Personally feel once his time has been served he should be allowed to live his life back in society and carry on with his life and if he would like football to be part of that, then that's fair enough imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 But he doesn't work with Children? On a practical level I think any club will be very careful about using in any sort of youth ambassadorial role. No, but you can't away from the fact that children look up to footballers as role models. We all had replica shirts with our favourite player's name on the back, posters on the wall, hanging on their every word on TV/radio etc. If that isn't a position of trust, I don't know what is. parents who have kids who will look up to Ched Evans as a role model should have their kids taken off them because they are clearly unqualified to be parents Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I'd heard Oldham had said no to Ched Evens but he was taking it as a yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Think the right decision has been made but he can count himself very lucky that Oldham have handed him the chance. Personally feel once his time has been served he should be allowed to live his life back in society and carry on with his life and if he would like football to be part of that, then that's fair enough imo. That's my position as well. If he's done his time, he should be allowed to return to society and go on with his life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I'd heard Oldham had said no to Ched Evens but he was taking it as a yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 They should do one of them stadium unveiling thingies. Fat Mike will cover that place in SD banners as far as the eye can see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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