UV Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 What? is that really a hard concept to grasp? she might have consented with the first guy, and not the second. aye she might, but she can't remember so she doesn't know 2 witnesses say she did 1 witness (porter) said he heard her partaking in the act Yeah but I'm saying its entirely possible to consent with one and not the other. The point is not whether or not she consented, but whether or not she was in a fit state to consent. The jury has decided she was in a fit state consent to bloke A, but not to bloke B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 btw: David Conn @david_conn 4m4 minutes ago Ched Evans: Police say they called Oldham Athletic & sponsors and were told no threats been made; a couple of "low level abuse on Twitter." Well, well, well...... Classic Mike Ashley? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 What? is that really a hard concept to grasp? she might have consented with the first guy, and not the second. aye she might, but she can't remember so she doesn't know 2 witnesses say she did 1 witness (porter) said he heard her partaking in the act Yeah but I'm saying its entirely possible to consent with one and not the other. The point is not whether or not she consented, but whether or not she was in a fit state to consent. The jury has decided she was in a fit state consent to bloke A, but not to bloke B. correct, also worth bearing in mind that she'd have consented to A earlier in the night when her intoxication level would have been higher (albeit fractionally i guess) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 My understanding it was basically seen as being irrelevant whether she consented or not, Evans was convicted becasue he should have realised she was 'obviously' too drunk to consent. Does anyone know if Evans was in any way drunk himself? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I can't get over the fact that there are people seemingly dedicating their lives to stopping this bloke from playing Football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 My understanding it was basically seen as being irrelevant whether she consented or not, Evans was convicted becasue he should have realised she was 'obviously' too drunk to consent. Does anyone know if Evans was in any way drunk himself? I thought he (Evans) was at home, his mate called him saying he had pulled this lass. Evans drove to the hotel and took over. Isn't there CCTV footage of her being totally smashed and barely able to walk?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 My understanding it was basically seen as being irrelevant whether she consented or not, Evans was convicted becasue he should have realised she was 'obviously' too drunk to consent. Does anyone know if Evans was in any way drunk himself? I thought he (Evans) was at home, his mate called him saying he had pulled this lass. Evans drove to the hotel and took over. Isn't there CCTV footage of her being totally smashed and barely able to walk?? they were out together that night but evans and mcdonald got split up after leaving wherever they were, there was some bother involving another of their mates or something so almost certainly he'll have had a drink in him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Oldham's chairman has just quit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I see he has just made the following statement via the PFA: I am grateful for the support of the PFA in helping me try to return to football and continue my career. Upon legal advice, I was told not to discuss the events in question. This silence has been misinterpreted as arrogance and I would like to state that this could not be further from the truth. I do remain limited at present by what I can say due to the ongoing referral to the Criminal Cases Review Commission and whilst I continue to maintain my innocence, I wish to make it clear that I wholeheartedly apologise for the effects that night in Rhyl has had on many people, not least the woman concerned. Finally, it has been claimed that those using social media in an abusive and vindictive way towards this woman are supporters of mine. I wish to make it clear that these people are not my supporters and I condemn their actions entirely and will continue to do so. Wont change a single thing or anyone's opinion of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I see he has just made the following statement via the PFA: I am grateful for the support of the PFA in helping me try to return to football and continue my career. Upon legal advice, I was told not to discuss the events in question. This silence has been misinterpreted as arrogance and I would like to state that this could not be further from the truth. I do remain limited at present by what I can say due to the ongoing referral to the Criminal Cases Review Commission and whilst I continue to maintain my innocence, I wish to make it clear that I wholeheartedly apologise for the effects that night in Rhyl has had on many people, not least the woman concerned. Finally, it has been claimed that those using social media in an abusive and vindictive way towards this woman are supporters of mine. I wish to make it clear that these people are not my supporters and I condemn their actions entirely and will continue to do so. Wont change a single thing or anyone's opinion of course. Too late. Sounds insincere now. Literally couldn't be worse timing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Oldham chairman has now apparently quit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Who thinks it's a good idea to drive over and have sex with a drunk girl their mate has just pulled? Honestly, if a girl is off her face just don't have sex with her, it's not fucking difficult. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I see he has just made the following statement via the PFA: I am grateful for the support of the PFA in helping me try to return to football and continue my career. Upon legal advice, I was told not to discuss the events in question. This silence has been misinterpreted as arrogance and I would like to state that this could not be further from the truth. I do remain limited at present by what I can say due to the ongoing referral to the Criminal Cases Review Commission and whilst I continue to maintain my innocence, I wish to make it clear that I wholeheartedly apologise for the effects that night in Rhyl has had on many people, not least the woman concerned. Finally, it has been claimed that those using social media in an abusive and vindictive way towards this woman are supporters of mine. I wish to make it clear that these people are not my supporters and I condemn their actions entirely and will continue to do so. Wont change a single thing or anyone's opinion of course. Too late. Sounds insincere now. Literally couldn't be worse timing. Precisely. Should have just done this to start with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Ashley will have something to do with the chairman stepping down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Oldham chairman has now apparently quit. Denied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexumaster Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Who thinks it's a good idea to drive over and have sex with a drunk girl their mate has just pulled? Honestly, if a girl is off her face just don't have sex with her, it's not f***ing difficult. What this all boils down to basically; have some fucking decorum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Wasn't he in a taxi on his way home, then got the text and re-directed the driver etc. If he was sober then there's an aboslute morality question (besides the crime). If he was impaired by drink himself then I think tit's a different argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Wasn't he in a taxi on his way home, then got the text and re-directed the driver etc. If he was sober then there's an aboslute morality question (besides the crime). If he was impaired by drink himself then I think tit's a different argument. He was in a taxi on his way to bail his other mate out of nick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heake Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Who thinks it's a good idea to drive over and have sex with a drunk girl their mate has just pulled? Honestly, if a girl is off her face just don't have sex with her, it's not f***ing difficult. Clearly not, but if you're young bloke, tanked up & there's a bird in your room who looks like shes "up for it" & you fancy your chances, then it can easily be a case of... That's not to say if she`s of her face or rejecting your advances its still ok, though from what I`ve read, it appears she may not have been (putting it tactfully). far too many people "casting the first stone" in this case for my liking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 The judge's comments indicate that his verdict has come down to individual opinion. Obviously there was more to it than that, but he specifically uses the CCTV footage in his sentencing remarks and emphasises that it's in fact just an opinion. The jury would have had there own opinions too, which apparently matched the judges. It's still an opinion though, "was she drunk enough to consent going by this CCTV footage?" No, as i said above, that is not what he is saying at all. Of course opinion gets involved. It almost always does in legal cases. It is an opinion formed after seeing all the evidence, listening to questioning, and applying the law as exists. That's how juries work, too. That is how the legal system works. There is a massive difference between a few people discussing a legal case on a football forum, and a court of law with a judge and jury. A high court judge, a jury, having sat through the trial, having seen all the evidence, decided that Evans was guilty "beyond all reasonable doubt". As did the second judge who rejected the appeal. His comments also don't suggest it has "all come down to his personal opinion", either. He was found guilty by a jury. My point about it coming down to opinion is that there is no (as far as I'm aware) single solid piece of evidence that suggests guilt. It comes down to things like the CCTV footage which are open to individual interpretation. I'm not doubting the jury or their decision, they wouldn't have taken the task lightly, but I don't believe there's anything to suggest that the decision is 100% correct, without any doubt. It seems impossible given the evidence. If there was something I've missed then fair enough. FWIW I'm not saying that I think he's innocent, or that he shouldn't have served his sentence once found guilty. I just cannot ever be 100% sure despite the jury's verdict. i honestly can't see how you get to "reasonable doubt" when it's essentially a case of 2 people's word against each other - he said she consented, she said she doesn't remember a thing which cannot be verified but that statement in itself (plus some selected CCTV footage i guess) led a jury to decide that she was unable to consent it's lucky people don't lie i suppose, otherwise we'd need evidence and s*** And that is the key to me here. The law is clear that to be found guilty you must be proved beyond reasonable doubt. There is way too much doubt here to return a guilty verdict IMO. Not that I don't think Evans is a f***ing idiot, or indeed did commit the crime, there's just not enough evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt he did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Dunno if this is Giggs but have heard he has signed! Apprently Oldham said no. So he got them drunk and signed anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 The deal's off mate - SSN. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 The deal's off mate - SSN. He was making a rape joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 'Ched Evans has served his time' - and other common misconceptions about the convicted rapist footballer A handy rebuttal guide http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/ched-evans-has-served-his-time--and-other-misconceptions-about-the-convicted-rapist-footballer-9957849.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Dunno if this is Giggs but have heard he has signed! Apprently Oldham said no. So he got them drunk and signed anyway Ladies and gentelman, by Slim's own assertion if he gets shot by some terrorists he's not deserving of any real sympathy. Nah they don't deserve to be killed and I don't care about the Muslim stuff at all. But joking about kidnapped raped babys makes me have a lot less sympathy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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