Ched Evans - Not Guilty

[Stottie]

With the media bandwagon around the case, some of which is understandable given his profession, I can't see him winning any appeal. Him going from "Ched Evans the rapist" to "the wrongly imprisoned (and defamed) Ched Evans" would embarrass too many people and go against the message they are trying to send about date rape.

 

[Probably giggs] The charges where dropped against Loic Remy when he was here but I wonder how far off the same kind of trial he was. We were obviously happy to employ him with gang rape charges hanging over him [/giggs]

[mrmojorisin75]

There's rules about why you can't tattoo someone while they're pissed, why you can't get people to sign legal documents when they're intoxicated, why you can't get your gran to change her will when she's off her tits on anesthetic.  Not being able to consent to things when you're intoxicated is a pretty well established concept, it's not special treatment for women.

 

Ergo any sex with someone who is intoxicated (to any degree) is sex without consent and is therefore by definition rape should that person later decide they would not have made the same decision if sober.

 

That is the logical conclusion of this line of argument, and I'd suggest that if that is the case, then there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of non-convicted rapists (of either sex) walking the streets of Britain today. Some of these rapists will be famous footballers, pop stars, actors, etc, others will be treating you at the doctors or in hospital, and many will even be teaching your children.

 

Frightening.

 

 

This is the actual stance of the law btw: http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/rape_and_sexual_offences/consent/ and this would seem to be the most relevant section to this case:

 

The question of capacity to consent is particularly relevant when a complainant is intoxicated by alcohol or affected by drugs.

 

In R v Bree [2007] EWCA 256, the Court of Appeal explored the issue of capacity and consent, stating that, if, through drink, or for any other reason, a complainant had temporarily lost her capacity to choose whether to have sexual intercourse, she was not consenting, and subject to the defendant's state of mind, if intercourse took place, that would be rape. However, where a complainant had voluntarily consumed substantial quantities of alcohol, but nevertheless remained capable of choosing whether to have intercourse, and agreed to do so, that would not be rape. Further, they identified that capacity to consent may evaporate well before a complainant becomes unconscious. Whether this is so or not, however, depends on the facts of the case.

 

It would seem that the jury decided that at the point of getting into the taxi and going back to the hotel the woman was capable of offering consent, but subsequently lost that capacity later in the evening without further consumption of alcohol or drugs.

 

another good post

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I think there's a key difference between meeting someone on a night out while you're both a bit drunk to humping a passed out woman who came home with your mate. Not that I know the circumstances of this exact case, but the 'logical conclusion' that UV posted is not anywhere near as self evident as it might seem.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Yeah, it's not that cut and dry. Especially taking into consideration again that she went home with the person that's been found not guilty.

[Guest firetotheworks]

It's been mentioned in the post above your's tbf. It's been brought up a few times.

[Darth Crooks]

Just perused a very interesting document online that highlights some real positives for Evans' innocence in this case.

 

Read Ched redemption.

[Robbo]

Would bet anything on there being chants of "he shags who he wants" if he starts playing again

 

Went to a game in between the charge and the trial and heard SUFC fans singing that. Not many, but enough for it to be totally

[Guest firetotheworks]

Just perused a very interesting document online that highlights some real positives for Evans' innocence in this case.

 

Read Ched redemption.

 

I love you sometimes.

[Ketsbaia]

The Beautiful South's Paul Heaton has resigned as club patron tonight. It doesn't matter if he's as good as gold from now on, Evans was stupid as mud in the first place. Anyway, Sheff Utd will carry on regardless.

 

 

 

 

.....I'll leave now.

[Incognito]

The Beautiful South's Paul Heaton has resigned as club patron tonight. It doesn't matter if he's as good as gold from now on, Evans was stupid as mud in the first place. Anyway, Sheff Utd will carry on regardless.

 

 

 

 

.....I'll leave now.

It's good to see he's had a little time to think it over. He's had a little time to work it out.

[Ryan_Taylor]

 

Would bet anything on there being chants of "he shags who he wants" if he starts playing again

 

Went to a game in between the charge and the trial and heard SUFC fans singing that. Not many, but enough for it to be totally

 

Grim, and it will 100% happen again if he plays. Unfortunately the majority of football fans are bell ends

 

That and opposition fans will give it 'She said no Evans'

[loki679]

Don't suppose it really matters which club he signs for in the end.  It could be Rotterdam or anywhere, Liverpool or Roma.

[newsted]

Some of you aren't taking this seriously. Attend!

[Guest firetotheworks]

The Beautiful South are shit. There's my only contribution.

[TheGuv]

The Beautiful South are s***. There's my only contribution.

 

Fuck you.

 

Go Fuck off to Rotterdam or something.

[TheGuv]

The Beautiful South are s***. There's my only contribution.

 

f*** you.

 

Go f*** off to Rotterdam or something.

 

Yeah I'll grab my coat

[brummie]

There's rules about why you can't tattoo someone while they're pissed, why you can't get people to sign legal documents when they're intoxicated, why you can't get your gran to change her will when she's off her tits on anesthetic.  Not being able to consent to things when you're intoxicated is a pretty well established concept, it's not special treatment for women.

 

Ergo any sex with someone who is intoxicated (to any degree) is sex without consent and is therefore by definition rape should that person later decide they would not have made the same decision if sober.

 

That is the logical conclusion of this line of argument, and I'd suggest that if that is the case, then there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of non-convicted rapists (of either sex) walking the streets of Britain today. Some of these rapists will be famous footballers, pop stars, actors, etc, others will be treating you at the doctors or in hospital, and many will even be teaching your children.

 

Frightening.

 

 

This is the actual stance of the law btw: http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/rape_and_sexual_offences/consent/ and this would seem to be the most relevant section to this case:

 

The question of capacity to consent is particularly relevant when a complainant is intoxicated by alcohol or affected by drugs.

 

In R v Bree [2007] EWCA 256, the Court of Appeal explored the issue of capacity and consent, stating that, if, through drink, or for any other reason, a complainant had temporarily lost her capacity to choose whether to have sexual intercourse, she was not consenting, and subject to the defendant's state of mind, if intercourse took place, that would be rape. However, where a complainant had voluntarily consumed substantial quantities of alcohol, but nevertheless remained capable of choosing whether to have intercourse, and agreed to do so, that would not be rape. Further, they identified that capacity to consent may evaporate well before a complainant becomes unconscious. Whether this is so or not, however, depends on the facts of the case.

 

It would seem that the jury decided that at the point of getting into the taxi and going back to the hotel the woman was capable of offering consent, but subsequently lost that capacity later in the evening without further consumption of alcohol or drugs.

 

Hang on, though, it wasn't just two people, one of whom was arseholed, having sex, was it?

 

It was sex while his mate took part, too, and two others watched them. That gives a pretty good indication of the "dynamic" of the events.

[Optimistic Nut]

Don't suppose it really matters which club he signs for in the end.  It could be Rotterdam or anywhere, Liverpool or Roma.

 

This is genius by the way.

[brummie]

Don't suppose it really matters which club he signs for in the end.  It could be Rotterdam or anywhere, Liverpool or Roma.

 

This is genius by the way.

 

Indeed it is.

[Robster]

Always assumed Paul Heaton was a Hull fan.

[Guest Geordiesned]

Always assumed Paul Heaton was a Hull fan.

 

Me too. Shared a pint with him in the Mainbrace pub in Hull 20 years ago as a student.

[George Bailey]

Always assumed Paul Heaton was a Hull fan.

 

Me too. Shared a pint with him in the Mainbrace pub in Hull 20 years ago as a student.

My claim to fame.. very sad I know, but played 5 a side against him and the other Housemartins in Ashingon years ago, after a gig they had been playing in Newcastle.

 

Went for a few swallies after the game with them, sound lads back then.

Seem to recall one of em being a blade, think it was the drummer though.

 

'Fatboy slim' and me played in nets...

[ujpest doza]

Always assumed Paul Heaton was a Hull fan.

 

Me too. Shared a pint with him in the Mainbrace pub in Hull 20 years ago as a student.

They followed Hull through living there but he's always been Sheff United and knows/kicks about with a number of their radgies.

 

[Dave]

@SkySportsNewsHQ

BREAKING: Sheffield United retracts decision to allow convicted rapist Ched Evans to train with the club.

[Dave]

http://www.sufc.co.uk/news/article/sheffield-united-ched-evans-2094632.aspx

Following the statement dated 11th November and after ongoing and extensive deliberation, Sheffield United Football Club has decided to retract the opportunity for its former player, Ched Evans, to use the Club's facilities for training purposes, as was previously intended.

 

Members of the Board have consulted dispassionately with the Club's supporters, Vice Presidents, Community Foundation members, executives, staff, sponsors and other relevant stakeholders in order to help it reach this decision. Also, the Club has been diligent in communicating with The Football Association, The Football League, The Professional Footballers' Association (The PFA), The Football Association of Wales and The National Probation Service to take further soundings.

 

We recognise that a number of our supporters will be disappointed with this decision, but would ask that they remember the responsibilities we have not only to a fine and proud Club, whose history stretches back over 125 years, but also to the communities in which Sheffield United is active and to the City we represent.

 

The Club initially accepted a request from The PFA for Ched Evans to be able to train. The reaction to this has been at an intensity that could not have been anticipated when first announced.

 

As noted in previous statements from the Club, the legal system of this country provides for both the punishment and the rehabilitation of every person who has been found guilty of a crime. Sheffield United will not be used to promote the view that professional footballers should be treated differently, as has been the want of certain sections of the media and various commentators. In addition, we remain disappointed at some of the inaccurate reporting, misinformed views and commentary, as well as the actions of a minority of individuals on social media. Professional footballers must be treated as equals before the law.

 

The Club condemns rape and violence of any kind against women in the strongest possible terms. The Club is aware that Ched Evans is pursuing legal recourse via the Criminal Cases Review Commission in the determination he has to clear his name. We trust that he will be afforded a fair hearing.

 

During this whole period, we have been served a timely reminder of what we have been throughout our history: Sheffield United is a Family and Community Club that, even in times of adversity, will remain strong and grow from its experiences.

 

The Club will not be making any further comment on this issue.