AshleyOut.com

[cubaricho]

Why are we suddenly going bust? No English league football club has gone bust for 30 odd year - why would it suddenly happen to a very profitable club?

 

Was just about to ask this. Apparently at risk of "doing a Leeds/Portsmouth" if we get relegated, despite three teams being relegated from the PL every season and none of them succumbing to financial collapse. As if we weren't ourselves relegated a few years ago and didn't go bankrupt.

 

I think we have enough as a club in general to never go bust. We will always be an attractive prospect to buyers due to the nature of our club period.

[BottledDog]

They're seeking to galvanise fans out of apathy by educating on Ashley's foibles. What is there to take issue with, really?

 

Ah, those little foibles.

 

Like turning the club from a living, breathing lovable monster symbiotically attached to the city, feeding and reflecting the towns emotions and providing a protective focal point and a heightened sense of community that could stretch out to black and whites at the far edges of the planet...

 

To a joyless, rotting husk.

 

 

That kind of thing?

[Guest firetotheworks]

One other possible by-product of the SackPardew campaign - keeping Carver as permanent boss. If Ashley is the sort of c*** to do things to spite the fans (and let's face it, we have plenty of evidence to suggest he is), then what's to say he didn't decide to respond to the people who 'forced' Pardew out, than to appoint his right hand man, the guy who got so p*ssed off at the campaign he offered them out for being disloyal and disruptive to the team? It's pretty hard to think of a worse way things could have gone for  NUFC in getting rid of Pardew, if this is indeed Ashley's modus operandi. Is that still a victory for SackPardew if Carver doesn't manage to pick up a single point between now and the end of the season? Or is this the real aim of AshleyOut.com, given how many seem to think relegation is the only thing that will get rid of the fat man?

 

If anything Carver's appointment has thoroughly vindicated the SackPardew campaign. The argument was put before by Pardew apologists "what if we get someone even worse?" Now we have seen that tactic can only backfire on Ashley so that's one more layer of deception ripped from his defences.

 

Anyone who was waiting for a Carver like appointment before fully believing Ashley was a git, was let's say, not exactly the brightest bulb in the first place.

 

The only way SackPardew would have been vindicated was if the next manager was a success. Otherwise it would have been called AshleyOut from the outset.

 

Like I said, one more layer of deception ripped from Ashley's defences. It seems like we both agree on this yet you seem to find this a problem.

 

Not at all. I'm of the opinion Ashley's true nature was revealed long ago, long before Pardew's reign, and is now well known and understood by both the fans and the media. You'll have a hard time finding anyone who still believes he's trying to do anything with NUFC except make money. There's nothing left to expose. Under Ashley, NUFC is a selling club with zero ambition. If AshleyOut is going to play this like they're revealing some kind of deception to the world, well, they're only going to make themselves look ridiculous.

 

The layers of hypocrisy and fallacies in this post, man.

 

1. You're complaining about AshleyOut.com thinking that it's revealing new information as ridiculous...whilst telling us - fans of Newcastle - that we're a selling club with zero ambition. Aye, BRAND NEW INFORMATION, THAT.

 

2. With Pardew, people didn't fully know the facts and revealing them changed things. More people wanted Pardew out, it highlighted that we wanted him out, people in the media took notice. Until then he was bulletproof. Oh aye, and guess what? He's gone!

 

I'm no linguist, but I think the sole intention of AshleyOut.com is to get Ashley out, not to preach to the converted. Sackpardew.com didn't just give information, there were campaigns and protests. I would surmise that the same thing will happen again considering it's the same people.

 

[Guest Mako]

They're seeking to galvanise fans out of apathy by educating on Ashley's foibles. What is there to take issue with, really?

 

Assumed this is the point of this campaign? I doubt those behind it think it'll suddenly cause Ashley to swiftly depart on a whim, but what's wrong with at least trying to change things, or at least bring further attention to the cause? At worst, it will likely provide more public debate about it and help to highlight Ashley's total unwillingness to support any kind of on-pitch ambition.

 

"It's unlikely to change things therefore accept the status quo" seems a pretty terrible mentality to me. Criticse the campaign if you like, but it's a form of activism in a club drowning in apathy.

 

Yeah I don't get the issue really. Unwillingness for themselves or others to be shaken from apathy for fear of being labelled a deluded Geordie by the southern press for wanting more? f*** knows.

 

I actively enjoy taking people to task on the 'deluded Geordie' bollocks, not that yous need defending as such but just the quantity of media rhetoric bollocks that people actually believe about your club is pretty remarkable. Probably because they want to believe it as it fits their lazy, pre-set perception of Newcastle fans. Because level-headed fans who simply want their side to compete and show some ambition isn't a particularly amusing stereotype therefore it just isn't true.

 

To his credit, I think Gary Neville has knocked a lot of that crap on the head - you only really see it in really lazy pieces now. But it's an unavoidable fact that the SackPardew campaign set into motion a series of events which to this day made NUFC fans look like fickle idiots. I don't know why anyone is bothering to deny this truth (and in fact, nobody is denying it, they're simply saying it's OK because he did actually go in the end). How did it look to Everton fans to see John Carver offering out his own fans before a game? Did you perceive that as the noble act of concerned supporters trying to get the media to know the real truth, or did you simply think 'oh look, the Georide circus is in town again'. In that one incident, the SackPardew campaign went from a misguided attempt to get rid of a crap manager even though they knew a better one wasn't going to replace him, into a full on participant in a public farce.

[Deuce]

I'd like to have seen the guy suggesting that type of thinking to martin luthor king or someone 'don't rock the boat, you may upset people, join us in the happy boat with no vote'

 

not sure we're quite on par with the civil rights movement, but I like the enthusiasm.

[Deuce]

Why are we suddenly going bust? No English league football club has gone bust for 30 odd year - why would it suddenly happen to a very profitable club?

 

Was just about to ask this. Apparently at risk of "doing a Leeds/Portsmouth" if we get relegated, despite three teams being relegated from the PL every season and none of them succumbing to financial collapse. As if we weren't ourselves relegated a few years ago and didn't go bankrupt.

 

I think we have enough as a club in general to never go bust. We will always be an attractive prospect to buyers due to the nature of our club period.

 

I mean, I thought "doing a Leeds" was something we just joked about because of Mike's frugality. Never thought we'd have fans who might actually believe we're at risk of financial insolvency upon relegation.

[Darth Crooks]

WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT LOOKING FICKLE? It doesn't matter. If looking fickle means wanting better than a guy who gifts our nearest rivals points, ostracises players and breaks some of the poorest records going then Im happy to be fickle. Not that you know what it means.

[Tiresias]

If making us look like prats to idiotic other fans (which it doesn;t) is the price we pay I'll pay it any day of the week. Do you really think we should fall into line purely for what other people think of us?

[Interpolic]

To his credit, I think Gary Neville has knocked a lot of that crap on the head - you only really see it in really lazy pieces now.

 

Ah reet.  Cheers Gary!  Didn't even realise.  What a fucking ledge.

 

But it's an unavoidable fact that the SackPardew campaign set into motion a series of events which to this day made NUFC fans look like fickle idiots.

 

Bullshit.

 

How did it look to Everton fans to see John Carver offering out his own fans before a game?

 

How many Everton fans were at St Mary's and why are they particularly interested?

 

Did you perceive that as the noble act of concerned supporters trying to get the media to know the real truth, or did you simply think 'oh look, the Georide circus is in town again'.

 

Matters not, the alternative is not making your point known, your voice heard and your influence made.  Anyway this doesn't really happen now Gary Neville's stepped in.

 

In that one incident, the SackPardew campaign went from a misguided attempt to get rid of a crap manager even though they knew a better one wasn't going to replace him, into a full on participant in a public farce.

 

They held up a banner, they did nowt wrong.  Carver acted like a twat, simple as.

[Wullie]

I'm confused, have they redefined the word 'fickle'?

[Tiresias]

yes it now means not liking mike ashley and continuing to not like mike ashley

[Interpolic]

I'm confused, have they redefined the word 'fickle'?

 

They better not have re-defined the word "bellend" because I'll be needing it very soon.

[Darth Crooks]

It apparently now means looking silly to people who don't give a shit/whose opinions don't really matter.

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

Honestly, man. The amount of people on social media who appear to have Mike Ashley tongue-deep in their arse is appalling. Telling us it will never work etc.

 

They're not fucking well and deserve to drop under a train. Every fucking one of them.

[Guest Mako]

One other possible by-product of the SackPardew campaign - keeping Carver as permanent boss. If Ashley is the sort of c*** to do things to spite the fans (and let's face it, we have plenty of evidence to suggest he is), then what's to say he didn't decide to respond to the people who 'forced' Pardew out, than to appoint his right hand man, the guy who got so p*ssed off at the campaign he offered them out for being disloyal and disruptive to the team? It's pretty hard to think of a worse way things could have gone for  NUFC in getting rid of Pardew, if this is indeed Ashley's modus operandi. Is that still a victory for SackPardew if Carver doesn't manage to pick up a single point between now and the end of the season? Or is this the real aim of AshleyOut.com, given how many seem to think relegation is the only thing that will get rid of the fat man?

 

If anything Carver's appointment has thoroughly vindicated the SackPardew campaign. The argument was put before by Pardew apologists "what if we get someone even worse?" Now we have seen that tactic can only backfire on Ashley so that's one more layer of deception ripped from his defences.

 

Anyone who was waiting for a Carver like appointment before fully believing Ashley was a git, was let's say, not exactly the brightest bulb in the first place.

 

The only way SackPardew would have been vindicated was if the next manager was a success. Otherwise it would have been called AshleyOut from the outset.

 

Like I said, one more layer of deception ripped from Ashley's defences. It seems like we both agree on this yet you seem to find this a problem.

 

Not at all. I'm of the opinion Ashley's true nature was revealed long ago, long before Pardew's reign, and is now well known and understood by both the fans and the media. You'll have a hard time finding anyone who still believes he's trying to do anything with NUFC except make money. There's nothing left to expose. Under Ashley, NUFC is a selling club with zero ambition. If AshleyOut is going to play this like they're revealing some kind of deception to the world, well, they're only going to make themselves look ridiculous.

 

The layers of hypocrisy and fallacies in this post, man.

 

1. You're complaining about AshleyOut.com thinking that it's revealing new information as ridiculous...whilst telling us - fans of Newcastle - that we're a selling club with zero ambition. Aye, BRAND NEW INFORMATION, THAT.

 

2. With Pardew, people didn't fully know the facts and revealing them changed things. More people wanted Pardew out, it highlighted that we wanted him out, people in the media took notice. Until then he was bulletproof. Oh aye, and guess what? He's gone!

 

I'm no linguist, but I think the sole intention of AshleyOut.com is to get Ashley out, not to preach to the converted. Sackpardew.com didn't just give information, there were campaigns and protests. I would surmise that the same thing will happen again considering it's the same people.

 

I didn't tell you anything, I asked you who it was who didn't know this? And Pardew is gone, but it quite clearly had nothing to do with being 'weakened' by the campaign. He was 'bulletproof' because Ashley didn't want him to go, and the campaign changed that how exactly? It didn't. Anyone claiming it did is a fantasist. And do you even have any evidence that more people turned on him because of the campaign? That's not my recollection. I don't know of a single fan who changed their mind because of it - they either wanted him gone before, or remained with him on the pretty sound basis of 'fool me once...'. The most likely and obvious explanation for any increase in the protests was simply because we were losing and playing poorly, as it would have done regardless of the 'campaigns' (which I only remember as handing out those A4 printouts). And I certainly don't recall seeing anything on the campaign website being taken up by the media - I'd love to see any evidence it was. The only effect of the campaign before he decided to leave that I can recall is the ridiculous Carver incident, and the groundswell of support for Pardew in the media (and indeed with some fans) who correctly recognised he was in large part being scapegoated for Ashley's failures. Oh and he apparently cried on camera - which I don't even remember happening, but if achieving that noble outcome made some people happy and they thought it made NUFC look good, then good for them I suppose.

[cubaricho]

[Darth Crooks]

So much wrong with that. WUM. Has to be.

[Twinport53]

 

I didn't tell you anything, I asked you who it was who didn't know this? And Pardew is gone, but it quite clearly had nothing to do with being 'weakened' by the campaign. He was 'bulletproof' because Ashley didn't want him to go, and the campaign changed that how exactly? It didn't. Anyone claiming it did is a fantasist. And do you even have any evidence that more people turned on him because of the campaign? That's not my recollection. I don't know of a single fan who changed their mind because of it - they either wanted him gone before, or remained with him on the pretty sound basis of 'fool me once...'. The most likely and obvious explanation for any increase in the protests was simply because we were losing and playing poorly, as it would have done regardless of the 'campaigns' (which I only remember as handing out those A4 printouts). And I certainly don't recall seeing anything on the campaign website being taken up by the media - I'd love to see any evidence it was. The only effect of the campaign before he decided to leave that I can recall is the ridiculous Carver incident, and the groundswell of support for Pardew in the media (and indeed with some fans) who correctly recognised he was in large part being scapegoated for Ashley's failures. Oh and he apparently cried on camera - which I don't even remember happening, but if achieving that noble outcome made some people happy and they thought it made NUFC look good, then good for them I suppose.

 

Stopped reading here.

 

If you are honestly stupid enough to think a mass organised protest by thousands of people did not sway his decision to leave, even a little bit, then your a fucking clueless moron.

[Disco]

We're digressing here from the important things and getting back on to the topic of that wretched little man though. Like Mako says we to focus on getting Ashley to go but simultaneously need to do nothing about it so we can look suave to Evertonians who may or may not have sprayed 'Martinez Out' on the side of Goodison last month.

 

He's sick of being labelled fickle, a word he doesn't seem to grasp the full meaning of, and that's just not fair. Not on him and not on any of us.

[Interpolic]

Hear hear. Sense at last.

[Guest firetotheworks]

One other possible by-product of the SackPardew campaign - keeping Carver as permanent boss. If Ashley is the sort of c*** to do things to spite the fans (and let's face it, we have plenty of evidence to suggest he is), then what's to say he didn't decide to respond to the people who 'forced' Pardew out, than to appoint his right hand man, the guy who got so p*ssed off at the campaign he offered them out for being disloyal and disruptive to the team? It's pretty hard to think of a worse way things could have gone for  NUFC in getting rid of Pardew, if this is indeed Ashley's modus operandi. Is that still a victory for SackPardew if Carver doesn't manage to pick up a single point between now and the end of the season? Or is this the real aim of AshleyOut.com, given how many seem to think relegation is the only thing that will get rid of the fat man?

 

If anything Carver's appointment has thoroughly vindicated the SackPardew campaign. The argument was put before by Pardew apologists "what if we get someone even worse?" Now we have seen that tactic can only backfire on Ashley so that's one more layer of deception ripped from his defences.

 

Anyone who was waiting for a Carver like appointment before fully believing Ashley was a git, was let's say, not exactly the brightest bulb in the first place.

 

The only way SackPardew would have been vindicated was if the next manager was a success. Otherwise it would have been called AshleyOut from the outset.

 

Like I said, one more layer of deception ripped from Ashley's defences. It seems like we both agree on this yet you seem to find this a problem.

 

Not at all. I'm of the opinion Ashley's true nature was revealed long ago, long before Pardew's reign, and is now well known and understood by both the fans and the media. You'll have a hard time finding anyone who still believes he's trying to do anything with NUFC except make money. There's nothing left to expose. Under Ashley, NUFC is a selling club with zero ambition. If AshleyOut is going to play this like they're revealing some kind of deception to the world, well, they're only going to make themselves look ridiculous.

 

The layers of hypocrisy and fallacies in this post, man.

 

1. You're complaining about AshleyOut.com thinking that it's revealing new information as ridiculous...whilst telling us - fans of Newcastle - that we're a selling club with zero ambition. Aye, BRAND NEW INFORMATION, THAT.

 

2. With Pardew, people didn't fully know the facts and revealing them changed things. More people wanted Pardew out, it highlighted that we wanted him out, people in the media took notice. Until then he was bulletproof. Oh aye, and guess what? He's gone!

 

I'm no linguist, but I think the sole intention of AshleyOut.com is to get Ashley out, not to preach to the converted. Sackpardew.com didn't just give information, there were campaigns and protests. I would surmise that the same thing will happen again considering it's the same people.

 

I didn't tell you anything, I asked you who it was who didn't know this? And Pardew is gone, but it quite clearly had nothing to do with being 'weakened' by the campaign. He was 'bulletproof' because Ashley didn't want him to go, and the campaign changed that how exactly? It didn't. Anyone claiming it did is a fantasist. And do you even have any evidence that more people turned on him because of the campaign? That's not my recollection. I don't know of a single fan who changed their mind because of it - they either wanted him gone before, or remained with him on the pretty sound basis of 'fool me once...'. The most likely and obvious explanation for any increase in the protests was simply because we were losing and playing poorly, as it would have done regardless of the 'campaigns' (which I only remember as handing out those A4 printouts). And I certainly don't recall seeing anything on the campaign website being taken up by the media - I'd love to see any evidence it was. The only effect of the campaign before he decided to leave that I can recall is the ridiculous Carver incident, and the groundswell of support for Pardew in the media (and indeed with some fans) who correctly recognised he was in large part being scapegoated for Ashley's failures. Oh and he apparently cried on camera - which I don't even remember happening, but if achieving that noble outcome made some people happy and they thought it made NUFC look good, then good for them I suppose.

 

I didn't tell you anything, I asked you who it was who didn't know this?

 

Well you did.

 

"I'm of the opinion Ashley's true nature was revealed long ago, long before Pardew's reign, and is now well known and understood by both the fans and the media. You'll have a hard time finding anyone who still believes he's trying to do anything with NUFC except make money. There's nothing left to expose. Under Ashley, NUFC is a selling club with zero ambition."

 

 

 

 

And Pardew is gone, but it quite clearly had nothing to do with being 'weakened' by the campaign.

 

And how's that? He was in tears on the touchline at Stoke away when the entire away section were singing that they wanted him out and holding up banners. Unless he had something in both of his eyes and it was some strange coincidence, I'd say that that had an effect on him, and that's before getting into the things that we can speculate and the fact that, you know, he's gone.

 

He was 'bulletproof' because Ashley didn't want him to go, and the campaign changed that how exactly?

 

Nope, he was bulletproof in the media. After SackPardew he wasn't.

 

And do you even have any evidence that more people turned on him because of the campaign?

 

Yes, anecdotal, just as yours is, and that's before the media discussing the campaign, relaying facts, statements, myths etc about Pardew on air and becoming aware of his record. Colin Murray, Mark Chapman, TalkSport are just a few examples of people who not only empathised with the campaign, but believed that it was a just cause.

 

The most likely and obvious explanation for any increase in the protests was simply because we were losing and playing poorly, as it would have done regardless of the 'campaigns' (which I only remember as handing out those A4 printouts). And I certainly don't recall seeing anything on the campaign website being taken up by the media - I'd love to see any evidence it was.

 

They were all linked at the time, it was discussed on SSN, Football Focus, 5Live, TalkSport, Radio Newcastle, Metro Radio, The Evening Chronicle, the BBC, Tyne Tees, Canal+, The Guardian...and they are just the ones that I saw, heard or read.

 

 

The only effect of the campaign before he decided to leave that I can recall is the ridiculous Carver incident, and the groundswell of support for Pardew in the media (and indeed with some fans) who correctly recognised he was in large part being scapegoated for Ashley's failures.

 

So why are you now whinging that they've turned their attention to the person you blame?

 

 

 

Oh and he apparently cried on camera - which I don't even remember happening, but if achieving that noble outcome made some people happy and they thought it made NUFC look good, then good for them I suppose.

 

You don't seem to remember a lot. You're moving the goalposts by saying that it didn't affect anything...then admitting that he cried...but now that that's a truth, there's no nobility to it. You're just wrong man, so very exclusively wrong.

[Twinport53]

I like that post, KI.

[Mick]

I'm confused, have they redefined the word 'fickle'?

 

They better not have re-defined the word "bellend" because I'll be needing it very soon.

 

[SEMTEX]

I'm confused, have they redefined the word 'fickle'?

 

They better not have re-defined the word "bellend" because I'll be needing it very soon.

 

:lol:

[Guest Mako]

WHO GIVES A f*** ABOUT LOOKING FICKLE? It doesn't matter. If looking fickle means wanting better than a guy who gifts our nearest rivals points, ostracises players and breaks some of the poorest records going then Im happy to be fickle. Not that you know what it means.

 

I know exactly what it means. You know why I know? Because I have to defend myself against the charge every time I make it known I support NUFC. You can remember the course of events however you like - other people remember it the way it happened. I can tell people till I'm blue in the face that Pardew was never accepted by the fans from day one (and in case you've forgotten, the media, the people these campaigns supposedly exist to inform, had latched onto that from day one).

 

It doesn't make a blind bit of difference, all they remember is the fact the placards only appeared after Pardew's purple patch turned into a slide. And they're smart enough to put two and two together and see the slide began right after Cabaye was sold, something Pardew clearly didn't want to happen.  You can pretend all you like that the SackPardew campaign didn't have this effect on how the fans are portrayed, and you can pretend all you like that it achieved something and we're better off now from both a footballing and a public perception standpoint, you're only lying to yourself. The campaign achieved either nothing, or very little, depending on your outlook.

 

The worse thing about being an NUFC fan these days, is that I can still remember the time when your fellow fans were actually embarrassed whenever the latest circus incident occurred. Now, people are positively embracing it, as if being seen as mugs/fools/fickle fans might be a good thing. It's not. It certainly doesn't enhance the experience of being a fan of an under-performing club with zero ambition. And it sure as hell doesn't get rid of Ashley either, it probably just amuses him that little bit more.