Yorkie Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Can't knock the world class trolling from Mike. What a piece of shit. In other news; despite my frustration re England I'm still very excited for the conclusion of the tournament. Absolutely salivating at the prospect of an Argentina/Morocco final. What a story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, The Prophet said: I know I'm in the minority here, but I thought Sampaio was fine. He just about got all the major decisions correct (with the assistance of VAR) and while he did miss the odd foul, he wasn't particularly bad at all. Also the two (2!) penalties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Magpie said: He was absolutely atrocious Don't get me wrong, I didn't think he was particularly good, but he wasn't atrocious either. Just didn't really notice him other than one tackle on Saka that he missed. Obviously he should have given the second penalty without the help of VAR, but in the first instance it did look like Mount went down rather easily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Magpie said: That and the first goal were two blatant fouls and the worst of it, like. No idea why he seemed to single out Saka as someone who was gonna get no protection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 If Newcastle had scored the first goal, I'd be absolutely fizzing if it was disallowed. It was just weak from Saka, who'd potentially already lost his footing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 24 minutes ago, The Prophet said: If Newcastle had scored the first goal, I'd be absolutely fizzing if it was disallowed. It was just weak from Saka, who'd potentially already lost his footing. Nah that's utter shite like, blatant foul that should have been given. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, Magpie said: Nah that's utter shite like, blatant foul that should have been given. Where's the foul though? The defender doesn't put his hands on him, lean into him or trip him. Saka loses his balance, then when he realises he's lost the ball, flops to that ground in an attempt to win the free kick. It didn't look a foul in the first instance and it certainly wasn't enough to overturn at VAR. I was far more annoyed with the lack of pressure from our midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 I can't get my head around how you'd not see the challenge on Saka before their goal as a foul like. He goes through the man to get the ball. That gets given as a foul 9 times out of 10. The others on Kane and Saka were even worse. He was shocking yet still not as bad as the Argentina v Netherlands ref. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 I’d be annoyed if it was Newcastle because pulling goals back from things that happened half a minute earlier is shite, but it was blatantly a foul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) The defender doesn't go through Saka though. I'll not labour the point, as it's obviously subjective, but the defender just puts him under a bit of pressure. It certainly isn't clear or blatent. Edited December 12, 2022 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 18 hours ago, astraguy said: Never understand the hate ronaldo gets its insane i hope he gets a club who can still fight for titles etc because he isn't done he has a different personalty agreed but thats what makes him,Messi never got wrote off when he failed at psg in his first season and isn't even psgs best player. Yet Ronaldo has been wrote off after being the 2nd top goal scorer in an elite league and saved man u time and time again at the age of 36/37,Yet messi has had what 5 finals with Argentina and spat his dummy out after losing.I Rate messi i'd be a fool to not but what Ronaldo has done for Portugal is unreal he is the goat...Bring of the hate p.s..I also think Ronaldo gets a lot of hate for playing in England,We have very toxic media here and Ronaldo always sells The point is Man-U got worse even though Ronaldo individually had some decent numbers on the surface, there were large periods where he was poor and so were Man-U What has Ronaldo done with Portugal that Messi hasn't with Argentina? Messi's best tournaments with Argentina surpass the best Ronaldo has managed for Portugal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Prophet said: The defender doesn't go through Saka though. I'll not labour the point, as it's obviously subjective, but the defender just puts him under a bit of pressure. It certainly isn't clear or blatent. Again, I can't get my head around you thinking this. The defender has three bites at him, on the third Saka's leg is sweeped in the process of the defender getting to the ball. I can't really say anymore than that. In fact he doesn't even get the ball. It's even more of a foul than I originally thought. Edited December 12, 2022 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 I’m with @The Prophet Don’t see much wrong with the Saka fouls. On this montage I agree it should’ve been a Red Card for second penalty (given) and thought the leg tangle warranted what would’ve been the first penalty (not given). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Again, I can't get my head around you thinking this. The defender has three bites at him, on the third Saka's leg is sweeped in the process of the defender getting to the ball. I can't really say anymore than that. In fact he doesn't even get the ball. It's even more of a foul than I originally thought. There is one point where the defender has a nibble and there is contact with the thigh, but at that point Saka has already slipped and is going to ground. I don't think it's a foul and certainly not a clear and obvious error. Saka is just bullied off the ball by a stronger player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 It was a blatant foul that probably gets blown for 99/100 time in matches. It's not like it's directly resulted in them scoring as there was plenty of play after that but by the rules it was still the same passage of play and should have been dissallowed. Thought the ref was very poor outside of the game changing decisions anyway. Was whistle happy as soon as any French players hit the deck but was happy to wave play on against obvious fouls against our players. Don't think it was a red against Theo mind, thought he got that right as there wasn't really an obvious goal scoring chance denied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 For me he completely swiped Saka's legs from under him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorty Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Normally, I don't like to criticise refs but that one was shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 I though there was a particularly clear foul on Saka not give in the second half, Rabiot could have been booked for persistent fouling and there was a couple of soft fouls given, but nothing to write home about. For me, he gets all four major decisions correct. The Saka incident discussed above, the Kane tangle of legs appears to be to be outside the box but could have been a free kick, while both of our penalties were rightfully given in the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Red card for Hernandez is absolutely laughable shout, Mount would never have got to that ball. Ref got some things wrong but it was obvious from the start that he was going to let a lot go through and keep the game flowing. Felt like England were still going down from every contact all game expecting to get the calls. Like I said, he got some things wrong but that always happens. I thought he was pretty consistent and liked that he let the game flow especially after the horror show of previous night. England should have adjusted better to the fact that they are not getting the fouls they are used to getting in the PL and not waste so much energy on complaining. That reffing would have been an advantage to you in the past but this generation is from Planet Soft Cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) If the benchmark we're having to hit is that Kane's 'could have been a freekick' then you're never going to be convinced the Saka one was. Both were blatant fouls, but the Kane one isn't even slightly contentious. Edited December 12, 2022 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: If the benchmark we're having to hit is that Kane's 'could have been a freekick' then you're never going to be convinced the Saka one was. Both were blatant fouls, but the Kane one isn't even slightly contentious. Yeah I agree, just bad phrasing on my part that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Also liked the ref’s attitude to penalties in the age of VAR. If he wasn’t sure he wasn’t going to whistle it due to VAR never overturning anything if there’s any contact. So he let a lot go and let VAR decide if something was too egregious like the Hernandez foul (that looked a lot worse on replays imo). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Some of the refs behaviour was bizarre, such as stopping the game while England was attacking because a French player went down holding their leg. Not exactly in the spirit of letting the game flow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 4 hours ago, Geordie Ahmed said: The point is Man-U got worse even though Ronaldo individually had some decent numbers on the surface, there were large periods where he was poor and so were Man-U What has Ronaldo done with Portugal that Messi hasn't with Argentina? Messi's best tournaments with Argentina surpass the best Ronaldo has managed for Portugal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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