Incognito Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 We always used to have good keepers. Seaman should really have got in before Woods did after Shilton retired and actually Sir Bobby should really have jettisoned Shilton after Euro 88. The likes of Phil Parkes, Joe Corrigan and even Paul Cooper would have got a bundle of caps today. Always used to like Nigel Martyn. Yeah good keeper at both Palace and Leeds. Steve Ogrizovic should probably have been capped in the late 80s too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 So we need to move on from the old guard and start playing the younger generation, or/and stop playing kids from the big teams just because they play for big teams like Rashford or Lingaard? I'm so confused what the correct thing to say in the pub is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 We always used to have good keepers. Seaman should really have got in before Woods did after Shilton retired and actually Sir Bobby should really have jettisoned Shilton after Euro 88. The likes of Phil Parkes, Joe Corrigan and even Paul Cooper would have got a bundle of caps today. Always used to like Nigel Martyn. Yeah good keeper at both Palace and Leeds. Steve Ogrizovic should probably have been capped in the late 80s too. Big Oggy was quality, like. Remember him making out of this world saves against Beardsley and Cantona in 93-94. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 TIL Steve Ogrizovic is English. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 So we need to move on from the old guard and start playing the younger generation, or/and stop playing kids from the big teams just because they play for big teams like Rashford or Lingaard? I'm so confused what the correct thing to say in the pub is How about pick 11 players who will make up a good team rather than 11 individual stars? Wales don't have better players than England, but collectively they look much more fluent. The problem with most England managers is they pick the team which they think will make the man in the pub happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 We always used to have good keepers. Seaman should really have got in before Woods did after Shilton retired and actually Sir Bobby should really have jettisoned Shilton after Euro 88. The likes of Phil Parkes, Joe Corrigan and even Paul Cooper would have got a bundle of caps today. Always used to like Nigel Martyn. Yeah good keeper at both Palace and Leeds. Steve Ogrizovic should probably have been capped in the late 80s too. Big Oggy was quality, like. Remember him making out of this world saves against Beardsley and Cantona in 93-94. Ian Wright used to knee him in the face every season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 We always used to have good keepers. Seaman should really have got in before Woods did after Shilton retired and actually Sir Bobby should really have jettisoned Shilton after Euro 88. The likes of Phil Parkes, Joe Corrigan and even Paul Cooper would have got a bundle of caps today. Always used to like Nigel Martyn. Yeah good keeper at both Palace and Leeds. Steve Ogrizovic should probably have been capped in the late 80s too. Big Oggy was quality, like. Remember him making out of this world saves against Beardsley and Cantona in 93-94. You remember 93-94? I thought you were younger than me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 We always used to have good keepers. Seaman should really have got in before Woods did after Shilton retired and actually Sir Bobby should really have jettisoned Shilton after Euro 88. The likes of Phil Parkes, Joe Corrigan and even Paul Cooper would have got a bundle of caps today. Always used to like Nigel Martyn. Yeah good keeper at both Palace and Leeds. Steve Ogrizovic should probably have been capped in the late 80s too. Big Oggy was quality, like. Remember him making out of this world saves against Beardsley and Cantona in 93-94. Hell of a nice bloke too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 We always used to have good keepers. Seaman should really have got in before Woods did after Shilton retired and actually Sir Bobby should really have jettisoned Shilton after Euro 88. The likes of Phil Parkes, Joe Corrigan and even Paul Cooper would have got a bundle of caps today. Always used to like Nigel Martyn. Yeah good keeper at both Palace and Leeds. Steve Ogrizovic should probably have been capped in the late 80s too. Big Oggy was quality, like. Remember him making out of this world saves against Beardsley and Cantona in 93-94. Ian Wright used to knee him in the face every season. Shithouse trick by a cowardly cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 So we need to move on from the old guard and start playing the younger generation, or/and stop playing kids from the big teams just because they play for big teams like Rashford or Lingaard? I'm so confused what the correct thing to say in the pub is How about pick 11 players who will make up a good team rather than 11 individual stars? Wales don't have better players than England, but collectively they look much more fluent. The problem with most England managers is they pick the team which they think will make the man in the pub happy. Which 11 would that be then? I'm not really expecting you to answer that because at the moment there isn't really anything standing out to change (Rooney in midfield aside). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsted Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 We always used to have good keepers. Seaman should really have got in before Woods did after Shilton retired and actually Sir Bobby should really have jettisoned Shilton after Euro 88. The likes of Phil Parkes, Joe Corrigan and even Paul Cooper would have got a bundle of caps today. Always used to like Nigel Martyn. Yeah good keeper at both Palace and Leeds. Steve Ogrizovic should probably have been capped in the late 80s too. Big Oggy was quality, like. Remember him making out of this world saves against Beardsley and Cantona in 93-94. You remember 93-94? I thought you were younger than me. He's had his first wave of the bat, dude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Oooooh Yorkie's retribution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 When is Welbeck due back? we miss him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1878 Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 We always used to have good keepers. Seaman should really have got in before Woods did after Shilton retired and actually Sir Bobby should really have jettisoned Shilton after Euro 88. The likes of Phil Parkes, Joe Corrigan and even Paul Cooper would have got a bundle of caps today. Always used to like Nigel Martyn. Yeah good keeper at both Palace and Leeds. Steve Ogrizovic should probably have been capped in the late 80s too. Martyn was still brilliant when he played for Everton from 2003 - 2006 before he retired. Easily the best keeper we've had since Southall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 We always used to have good keepers. Seaman should really have got in before Woods did after Shilton retired and actually Sir Bobby should really have jettisoned Shilton after Euro 88. The likes of Phil Parkes, Joe Corrigan and even Paul Cooper would have got a bundle of caps today. Always used to like Nigel Martyn. Yeah good keeper at both Palace and Leeds. Steve Ogrizovic should probably have been capped in the late 80s too. Martyn was still brilliant when he played for Everton from 2003 - 2006 before he retired. Easily the best keeper we've had since Southall. Completely forgot he ended up at your place . Now Southall, what a fantastic keeper he was. Definitely the best British keeper of the 80s, yet I cannot help but think that if he was English that he would hardly have played such was Sir Bobby's obsession/loyalty to Peter Shilton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 So we need to move on from the old guard and start playing the younger generation, or/and stop playing kids from the big teams just because they play for big teams like Rashford or Lingaard? I'm so confused what the correct thing to say in the pub is How about pick 11 players who will make up a good team rather than 11 individual stars? Wales don't have better players than England, but collectively they look much more fluent. The problem with most England managers is they pick the team which they think will make the man in the pub happy. Which 11 would that be then? I'm not really expecting you to answer that because at the moment there isn't really anything standing out to change (Rooney in midfield aside). It doesn't really matter which 11 as long as the manager has a coherent idea of how he wants to set the team up and how they are meant to play. That's why I said it's not about picking individual stars it's about knowing your method and which players suit it. Ironically Allardyce could be described as that except those methods were never going to work at international level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 That's fair but you get a couple of weeks every couple months to do it. The likes of Poch and Klopp get given the leeway of 'it might take them half a season to implement their style' when they get to work with the players almost every day. The Carragher thing recently about Rafa doing drills on shape over and over again in training untill the players get it right. You just don't have the time to do that really at international level unless you're there and also use pretty much the same players for a long length of time It's just a lot harder than people make it out to be. Which imakes it frustrating when people cry 'ohhh he should obviously be playing player x and dropping player y' when the fundamental problems will still exist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Chile managed it for a good while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 I think you just need a clear idea of what your methods are then you can pick players who will suit that. Rafa would be a great international manager long term, because he would quickly assess those who can do what he needs and discard those that don't. The problem with McClaren and Hodgson is that they were just picking players who were flavour of the month and there wasn't any clear method. That's how you end up with Gerrard and Lampard in the same midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Friendly against Germany in Dortmund announced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 I'm not convinced having a consistent team is all that much of a benefit if it means leaving out players who are in much better form than others. Vardy for example should've played every game for the last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 I don't think anybody mentioned using the same players exclusively, the idea for me would be for a manager to have a clear method then use the players to execute it successfully. No reason why in form players couldn't be used in that formula. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Fair enough, I just mean sometimes you might have to change the formation slightly to accommodate the hot players. If only Kane is playing well then go 4-2-3-1, but if Rashford and Vardy are also scoring freely then may as well go 4-3-3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Fair enough, I just mean sometimes you might have to change the formation slightly to accommodate the hot players. If only Kane is playing well then go 4-2-3-1, but if Rashford and Vardy are also scoring freely then may as well go 4-3-3. What if playing 4-3-3 plays right into the hands of the opposition? Every game is different unless you are much better than everyone else. I think all you can really ask for is a manager with some pedigree and a good reputation in the game, then let him get on with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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