Tooj Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 I think that this is the weakest squad we've had for years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 We have a really strong group of players and pay more than anyone else. You can count on 1 hand the number nations with a better selection of players to choose from than us (granted they are far stronger). It's 100% awful management from top to bottom. Think you're massively overrating your players there tbh. Very few of them (maybe none with Rooney past his best) have proven anything at Champions League level, which is the highest level of football there is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 I agree it's one of the weakest squads we have had but the management doesn't help by choosing the wrong players from the pool we have, continuously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 I think that this is the weakest squad we've had for years. Can say the same for many other nations, Holland and Italy are massively short nowadays. In Europe France are decent and Germany and Spain are miles ahead of the rest, not much else otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 We have a really strong group of players and pay more than anyone else. You can count on 1 hand the number nations with a better selection of players to choose from than us (granted they are far stronger). It's 100% awful management from top to bottom. Think you're massively overrating your players there tbh. Very few of them (maybe none with Rooney past his best) have proven anything at Champions League level, which is the highest level of football there is nah, you're massively overrating the rest of international football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 I'd say France are a bit better than decent, their squad is vastly superior to ours in loads of positions. Despite their underachievements to date Belgium also have a better squad than us too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Can say the same for many other nations, Holland and Italy are massively short nowadays. In Europe France are decent and Germany and Spain are miles ahead of the rest, not much else otherwise. Italy have three of the best defenders around, the best keeper of the last twenty years, Verratti, Marchisio. England don't have anywhere near that quality Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Romagnoli is going to boss it soon as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Belgium Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 I'd say France are a bit better than decent, their squad is vastly superior to ours in loads of positions. Despite their underachievements to date Belgium also have a better squad than us too. Aye but they're some way behind Germany and Spain still. Would put Belgium somewhere alongside France, aye. All 4 of those sides are far stronger than us. Argentina too and probably Brazil by default. Our squad is good and unlike most nations we're not massively short in any 1 area we've got good depth too, comparatively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 I'd say France are a bit better than decent, their squad is vastly superior to ours in loads of positions. Despite their underachievements to date Belgium also have a better squad than us too. Aye but they're some way behind Germany and Spain still. Would put Belgium somewhere alongside France, aye. All 4 of those sides are far stronger than us. Argentina too and probably Brazil by default. Our squad is good and unlike most nations we're not massively short in any 1 area we've got good depth too, comparatively. We have a really strong group of players and pay more than anyone else. You can count on 1 hand the number nations with a better selection of players to choose from than us (granted they are far stronger). It's 100% awful management from top to bottom. Do you have 6 fingers Hans? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Can say the same for many other nations, Holland and Italy are massively short nowadays. In Europe France are decent and Germany and Spain are miles ahead of the rest, not much else otherwise. Italy have three of the best defenders around, the best keeper of the last twenty years, Verratti, Marchisio. England don't have anywhere near that quality Buffon is 38 man, no chance he's sticking around for another tournament. The were starting Eder, Pelle and Giaccherini at the Euros. I've liked Candreva whenever I've seen him but he's hardly star quality either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 I'd say France are a bit better than decent, their squad is vastly superior to ours in loads of positions. Despite their underachievements to date Belgium also have a better squad than us too. Aye but they're some way behind Germany and Spain still. Would put Belgium somewhere alongside France, aye. All 4 of those sides are far stronger than us. Argentina too and probably Brazil by default. Our squad is good and unlike most nations we're not massively short in any 1 area we've got good depth too, comparatively. We have a really strong group of players and pay more than anyone else. You can count on 1 hand the number nations with a better selection of players to choose from than us (granted they are far stronger). It's 100% awful management from top to bottom. Do you have 6 fingers Hans? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 In any case I don't even think we're that great, I just don't think the competition is all that great either. And I certainly don't agree that we have a poor or limited squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 The biggest problem is the England squad is nowhere near as good as the media/pundits/majority of England think. A vast majority of the England squad would struggle to get a game in the top teams around Europe. No matter who takes over will ultimately fail as expectation far outweighs reality. No foreign manager with any sort of ambition will take it because they know how limited the squad is, that leaves the same cycle of s*** and boring English managers or washed up foreign managers looking for a nice payday that get touted nearly every time the post is vacant. I don't think anyone, well the majority anyway, consider England to be other than absolute average on the world stage of football these days, even the media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 I think that this is the weakest squad we've had for years. Can say the same for many other nations, Holland and Italy are massively short nowadays. In Europe France are decent and Germany and Spain are miles ahead of the rest, not much else otherwise. Club football is superior to international football. Even the top international sides are not that great compared to club sides. England don't have any world-class players these days, but they do have some good and exciting players and with the right coaching and philosophy could do well at international football. FFS Portugal are European Champions and they are average. The problem with the FA is they keep appointing the wrong man. England need a charismatic leader of men not necessarily a good coach. Someone who can instill a sense of purpose and believe into our better younger and exciting players. Play free, without fear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 The biggest problem is the England squad is nowhere near as good as the media/pundits/majority of England think. A vast majority of the England squad would struggle to get a game in the top teams around Europe. No matter who takes over will ultimately fail as expectation far outweighs reality. No foreign manager with any sort of ambition will take it because they know how limited the squad is, that leaves the same cycle of s*** and boring English managers or washed up foreign managers looking for a nice payday that get touted nearly every time the post is vacant. I don't think anyone, well the majority anyway, consider England to be other than absolute average on the world stage of football these days, even the media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 The current England side is very talented, imo. Probably a top ten side in the world. The obvious weaknesses are the centre of defense and the Rooney quandary (eliminate him). Otherwise, these are quality, youthful players that perform consistently and admirably for their club sides. The inability to compete with the very best sides is as much a mentality issue as anything, imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 There's more than enough talent. We're a shit team, and generally speaking have been for the last 20 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 There's more than enough talent. We're a shit team, and generally speaking have been for the last 20 years. We don't have the squad-to-end-all-squads that Sven had, but the scale of underachievement is comparable - probably worse. To have fallen at the WC group stage, and against Iceland this year, is a massive indictment on the state of England in a wider context, rather than the specific players. The loss to Iceland was obviously one of the most ignaminous defeats in England's history, but the World Cup failure was also pretty shocking given that half the team was comprised of Liverpool players that'd nearly won the title. Just shocking underacheivement. Inherently flawed, rather than the individual parts not being up to scratch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 That being said, I actually think it was quite simple why we didn't progress further or play well at any point in France. The squad selection. Andros Townsend, or even one of the less gifted wingers like Redmond or Zaha, could've gone down as an unlikely hero this summer. Hodgson set up us pragatically; a narrow front six which squeezed the opposition and helped us retain possession in the opposition's half. I thought it was a decent starting-point with England. The only width, though, was provided by the full-backs. All of those full-backs played well in the tournament imo, particularly Walker, but every single game was absolutely begging for the introduction of a natural winger to stretch the game late on. The variety was there to be chosen from, but for some unfathomable reason, he didn't do that. And as soon as Plan A failed (plus shite performances from the likes of Kane and Sterling) saw to it that we ran out of ideas as a team very quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 The reason we don't do well in tournaments the players aren't good enough the players aren't developed in such a way as they are used to playing in a system that the national team uses the players aren't smart enough to adapt to a new system when switching from club to country the players either don't care enough or are too nervous of being blamed for failure to put in a good performance there is no proper leadership on the pitch, or anyone experienced at the highest level of international football the team is never consistent because there are not enough players good enough to be automatic picks and too many players who drift in and out of form the manager is conservative or naive tactically the manager is leaned on to play certain players on reputation rather than form All of the above are accurate assessments of why we fail, pick or choose, albeit it is basically all of them. The fix would take long term changes from the FA down to the youth system throughout the league and no-one has the will or the real interest in achieving that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Still think the Premier League having so much power in isolation of the FA is something that needs to change if we are to be a force in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Still think the Premier League having so much power in isolation of the FA is something that needs to change if we are to be a force in the future. Said it before, but I really think England suffers massively from all players playing in the Premier League, would be much better to get experience from other countries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsted Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 The current England side is very talented, imo. Probably a top ten side in the world. The obvious weaknesses are the centre of defense and the Rooney quandary (eliminate him). Otherwise, these are quality, youthful players that perform consistently and admirably for their club sides. The inability to compete with the very best sides is as much a mentality issue as anything, imo. I know some people Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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