Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Play to win ALWAYS. You can’t start plotting a path to the Final man. Obviously you would if you could choose a lesser team, but this is England who were knocked out by Iceland in the Euros. I’d fancy us to give anyone a game based on what we’ve seen from all teams thus far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Play to win ALWAYS. You can’t start plotting a path to the Final man. Obviously you would if you could choose a lesser team, but this is England who were knocked out by Iceland in the Euros. I’d fancy us to give anyone a game based on what we’ve seen from all teams thus far. Sounds like a team that needs to plot their path to the final Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Throw. You've got to go, before you can throw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I don't see what the last Euros have to do with it. It's a bit like saying "we got knocked out the FA Cup last year by Rotherham so I'm not bothered that we've drawn Chelsea in this year's third round" If Brazil win their group and Japan win H, it's 100% in England's interests to finish second. No amount of moral grandstanding about playing to win will change that. We'll not get a bonus goal for it to help us against Brazil while Belgium face Sweden for a place in the WC semi final. Personally I think Belgium are likely to fuck the game off and we'll play in the spirit of the game, win, and regret it later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Belgium are being so obvious about their intentions to come 2nd that I'm not sure England COULD do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizza Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 This game is going to be absolute shite, neither team will want to win with the way the draw is shaping up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Be like that baseball episode of South Park when both teams are trying to lose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I don't see what the last Euros have to do with it. It's a bit like saying "we got knocked out the FA Cup last year by Rotherham so I'm not bothered that we've drawn Chelsea in this year's third round" If Brazil win their group and Japan win H, it's 100% in England's interests to finish second. No amount of moral grandstanding about playing to win will change that. We'll not get a bonus goal for it to help us against Brazil while Belgium face Sweden for a place in the WC semi final. Personally I think Belgium are likely to fuck the game off and we'll play in the spirit of the game, win, and regret it later. I’d rather we just won the group and worry about who we face when we go on the pitch. We will have to face a top team eventually, eliminating one sooner could give us the confidence to keep going. I fancy England to give anyone a good team if we maintain the way we have started the tournament. My worry is our mental strength and how we deal with pressure. Southgate could be key in that as he seems very calm, so does Kane who doesn’t look like someone who would crumble if he missed a goal or didn’t get a sniff all game. Either way I’ll be happy if we turn up and perform and do our best even if it means we don’t make it to the next game. You can keep extra time and penalties though, fuck that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 That's fair enough but "we'll have to play a good team eventually so might as well be now" is a ludicrous position to take in a tournament with a maximum of four games left. Portugal finished third (third!) in their Euros group then played Croatia, Poland and Wales on their way to the final. At no point were they thinking "ffs we'll have to play France in the final so wish we were playing Germany instead of Wales". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 That's fair enough but "we'll have to play a good team eventually so might as well be now" is a ludicrous position to take in a tournament with a maximum of four games left. Portugal finished third (third!) in their Euros group then played Croatia, Poland and Wales on their way to the final. At no point were they thinking "ffs we'll have to play France in the final so wish we were playing Germany instead of Wales". I honestly don’t think players really give it too much thought once they are into a tournament, it’s pundits, media and fans like us who try and plot a route through based on favourable teams. Don’t get me wrong I understand what you are saying and I would rather we faced a so-called lesser team, but I would far rather we went out to win the group and just go for it regardless of who we face next because that’s the best approach for me and the only approach or should be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizza Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Win group - potential quarter final against either Brazil or Mexico, semi against France, Argies, Uruguay or Portugal Finish 2nd - potential quarter final against either Switzerland or Sweden, semi against Spain, Russia, Croatia or Denmark Howay Belgium! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Be like that baseball episode of South Park when both teams are trying to lose. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbados_4%E2%80%932_Grenada_(1994_Caribbean_Cup_qualification) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Even moreso if Japan win H, it'll be a farce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicago_shearer Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I'm annoyed Joe Hart was left out now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Cometh the hour, cometh CGI Phil Jones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 The hilarity when Pope, Jones, Cahill, Dier and Welbeck all start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Could do with Lambeth and Butler tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizza Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I wish we hadn't stuck so many past Panama, a lower GD would've been useful now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 The atmosphere in the pubs could be awkward with a lot of fans wanting England to finish second Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Even moreso if Japan win H, it'll be a farce. Which with how shit Poland are I'm almost certain they will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Win group - potential quarter final against either Brazil or Mexico, semi against France, Argies, Uruguay or Portugal Finish 2nd - potential quarter final against either Switzerland or Sweden, semi against Spain, Russia, Croatia or Denmark Howay Belgium! Imbalance of this is insane, no idea how you achieve it but it needs to be fixed somehow. Was the same at the Euros, one side of the bracket was a complete joke and the other was utterly stacked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 How do you propose fixing it when it's based on group performance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I'm probably just talking out of my arse tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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