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Jayson

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England captain Wayne Rooney added: "It's a sad day for us. It's tough. There are always upsets in football. It's not tactics. It's just unfortunate. We know we're a good team. I can't stand here and say exactly why it's happened.

 

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English managers are worse than English players. So much arrogance they miss the basics. Please be Pardew so I can ignore this s*** forever. I will settle for Championship with Benitez #Paella@BenisHouse

 

English managers don't get a chance at top teams and are therefore relegated to constant shitness. Would be happy to see Wenger get the job, but arrogance has f*** all to do with it.

 

FSho4Sam. Idemt.

 

English managers not getting top jobs is part of the problem. Accept it bro.

Which ones should though, Pardew, Sam, Wor Schteeve all had a chance here and were garbage, why would a proper team bother with them. Eddie Howe maybe or some of younger generation but the others are dinosaurs. Rotten percentage football with zero tactical nous or flexibility. Can't establish a sustainable system, can't organise and play good football, and simply are not good enough.

 

Howe is one certainly. The thing is barely any of them even get the chance to move from lower league teams to PL clubs. It's a fucking mess. Our footballing culture is completely geared to wanking over foreign managers who've been allowed the chance to build a reputation in their own country.

 

Loads of them get given jobs at teams battling against relegation. They're welcome to win the league like Ranieri did if they want to. There's a real problem with coaching and management in this country but it's not down to a lack of opportunity.

 

Why should they be given jobs at bigger clubs instead of making the club they're already at compete with bigger clubs?

 

Honestly just assumed FS was joking about tbh. I can't believe that anyone who regularly watches English football can really believe that this is true.

 

Young English managers aren't given the opportunity to progress anywhere near as much as their counterparts on the continent. If you don't think that's a problem, fair enough. I disagree and most involved in the English game do. Realise it doesn't tow the footballing hipster line.

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Fuck knows what was said at half time, they went from not good enough but at least creating a few chances to utterly listless and unable to control a ball or hit a simple pass. Vardy, Rashford and Lallana should have all been on, with Kane, Sterling and Sturridge/Rooney off. Fuck persevering with players, systems and tactics that are clearly not working, in a knockout match ffs.

 

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No leaders in this team at all. In fact, I'm struggling to think of a decent English captain playing at the moment.

 

Same old story with the national side. Lack of invention, creativity and outside the box thinking. Happy to go with supposedly tried and tested methods rather than a long term vision of bringing through young talent. Despite the rhetoric coming from the FA with regards to future plans, it's almost as though the boys that do come through do so by accident - Rashford, Sterling, etc.

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Fuck knows what was said at half time, they went from not good enough but at least creating a few chances to utterly listless and unable to control a ball or hit a simple pass. Vardy, Rashford and Lallana should have all been on, with Kane, Sterling and Sturridge off. Fuck persevering with players, systems and tactics that are clearly not working.

 

What's particularly weird is that against Wales we were shit and losing so he made major changes at half time to take out the players that weren't performing and change the setup. The third sub got about 20mins. Why was the approach so different tonight? We even wasted a sub changing Dier for Wilshere. Don't get it.

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I thought taking Rashford was daft but after watching him for 5 minutes I cannot believe he was starting Sterling over him. Lallana not playing was just weird, if he hasn't got a knock it's just not justifiable.

Someone on here said that Lallana has a knock, which makes sense if he didn't get a single minute tonight.

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Amazing how shit we were second half. Worst I've ever seen England play I think. Incredible ineptness from Hodgson in line ups, subs, tactics, everything, really quite staggering.

 

Good on Iceland, played very well and deserved to win, France won't have an easy game against them.

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My personal take on England is that the mentality is so off throughout the entire system. The players are looking like playing for England is just something they do every other month. They don't seem proud to be playing for England. They think they are good because they are good players - no focus on working as a team. Big egos abound and the players seem like they hardly know eachother. There's no pride. No passion. No belief in the team above individuals.

 

Look at Italy. They've sent one of their worst squads in history (based on player by player comparisons - not actually how they work as a unit) and are looking like they want this. They play for eachother. They are proud to play for Italy. They want to bring this home. They're not just there because it's something they kinda have to do.

 

I don't see a qucik fix for England. You need a manager that can sort out the mentality of the players and make them love their teammates and be proud to be involved, not just feel like they are there because they're entitled to. Even if you get a big personality in like a Bielsa I don't think it can sort out the mentality issue as there's just not enough days with the squad to build that. It needs to be changed at club level. You need to pick the players that are hungry. Your Vardy's, your Drinkwaters, your Townsends. The players that want to play for England and feel proud to don the shirt. But due to the way the media controls your entire squad, and the way you keep picking weak managers to manage the England team - always picking from name and not performances - you'll always have the same issue. They'll feel they are entitled to play for England.

 

A team full of weaker individuals proud to be there and wanting to fight could still outperform a team full of entitled cunts. We saw it this season with Leicester. It's what needs to happen to England, but it will never happen - and that is very sad.

 

International football is the one stage where you could put someone like Shearer in charge and it could have a very positive effect. An English legend steering the ship could change some mentalities, even if Shearer isn't, on paper, the best manager ever.

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My personal take on England is that the mentality is so off throughout the entire system. The players are looking like playing for England is just something they do every other month. They don't seem proud to be playing for England. They think they are good because they are good players - no focus on working as a team. Big egos abound and the players seem like they hardly know eachother. There's no pride. No passion. No belief in the team above individuals.

 

Look at Italy. They've sent one of their worst squads in history (based on player by player comparisons - not actually how they work as a unit) and are looking like they want this. They play for eachother. They are proud to play for Italy. They want to bring this home. They're not just there because it's something they kinda have to do.

 

I don't see a qucik fix for England. You need a manager that can sort out the mentality of the players and make them love their teammates and be proud to be involved, not just feel like they are there because they're entitled to. Even if you get a big personality in like a Bielsa I don't think it can sort out the mentality issue as there's just not enough days with the squad to build that. It needs to be changed at club level. You need to pick the players that are hungry. Your Vardy's, your Drinkwaters, your Townsends. The players that want to play for England and feel proud to don the shirt. But due to the way the media controls your entire squad, and the way you keep picking weak managers to manage the England team - always picking from name and not performances - you'll always have the same issue. They'll feel they are entitled to play for England.

 

A team full of weaker individuals proud to be there and wanting to fight could still outperform a team full of entitled cunts. We saw it this season with Leicester. It's what needs to happen to England, but it will never happen - and that is very sad.

 

:thup:

 

It's probably help us immensely if we stopped dragging our players into half heatedly voice-over Mars Bar adverts too.

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English managers are worse than English players. So much arrogance they miss the basics. Please be Pardew so I can ignore this shit forever. I will settle for Championship with Benitez #Paella@BenisHouse

 

English managers don't get a chance at top teams and are therefore relegated to constant shitness. Would be happy to see Wenger get the job, but arrogance has fuck all to do with it.

 

FSho4Sam. Idemt.

 

English managers not getting top jobs is part of the problem. Accept it bro.

Hodgson did at Liverpool and failed pretty miserably.

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Southgate favourite and Pardew second favourite.

 

 

 

Tells you everything you need to know about the FA, and why we've failed for the past 2 decades.

 

Who would you go for?

 

I pretty much can't think of a suitable candidate that would be prepared to take the job. What a mess.

 

We should've given it to Ancelotti a year ago, made him the best paid coach on the planet to make it happen, whatever it took.

 

I'd give it to Pellegrini from those available.

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