AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I didn't see us the last few of Mitrovic's games before getting dropped but doing nothing wrong isn't really enough for a striker I'm not sure if this even makes sense. Doing nothing wrong sort of means not doing anything to deserve losing your place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I didn't see us the last few of Mitrovic's games before getting dropped but doing nothing wrong isn't really enough for a striker I'm not sure if this even makes sense. Doing nothing wrong sort of means not doing anything to deserve losing your place. Well like I didn't see the games but you should talk about what he did right rather than doing nothing wrong if you think he shouldn't have been dropped Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I don't understand people's strong opinions when they don't actually watch the match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I didn't see us the last few of Mitrovic's games before getting dropped but doing nothing wrong isn't really enough for a striker I'm not sure if this even makes sense. Doing nothing wrong sort of means not doing anything to deserve losing your place. Well like I didn't see the games but you should talk about what he did right rather than doing nothing wrong if you think he shouldn't have been dropped More the fact whilst he wasn't doing much wrong, there were players around him having an absolute stinkers. When McClaren started saying he was looking at making the changes, only Mitrovic was made the scapegoat. This wasn't really what was required but nevermind, it got us a murdering at Palace but a nice victory against Liverpool. Mitrovic should be back in the side sooner rather than later but can't really fault Cisse's performances since coming back into the side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 IMO he's scapegoating Perez as well. But we won, so let's see. I would rather he fit Perez into the side somehow, maybe on the left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I don't understand people's strong opinions when they don't actually watch the match. I don't have a strong opinion on it. I'm just suggesting that for him to stay in the team you may want to say what he did right rather than "did nothing wrong" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Also a thing to keep in mind is that we actually have decent options up front which cannot be said about any other area on the pitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 IMO he's scapegoating Perez as well. But we won, so let's see. I would rather he fit Perez into the side somehow, maybe on the left. Yeah, well he hauled him off at half time last week, he started the seaosn with him on the bench so McClaren clearly has some doubts about him for one reason or another. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I don't understand people's strong opinions when they don't actually watch the match. I don't have a strong opinion on it. I'm just suggesting that for him to stay in the team you may want to say what he did right rather than "did nothing wrong" All the other players with the exception of Mitro, Perez and (to a certain extent) Wijnaldum were doing everything wrong. They done nothing wrong, so using logic it didn't make sense to drop a player who was not in any way, shape or form impacting on our poor results. You'd rather have a Mitrovic on the pitch with a bit of presence than a starved-of-service Cisse who is a player we often have to carry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 IMO he's scapegoating Perez as well. But we won, so let's see. I would rather he fit Perez into the side somehow, maybe on the left. Yeah, well he hauled him off at half time last week, he started the seaosn with him on the bench so McClaren clearly has some doubts about him for one reason or another. He's a fucking idiot. Aye it worked for one game, whoopdefuckingshit. If that Moreno goal had of correctly been given our players heads would have inevitably dropped and I don't doubt we would have went on to lose that game. McClaren doesn't have a clue what to do or say and his last 2 team selections have been all wrong for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I don't understand people's strong opinions when they don't actually watch the match. I don't have a strong opinion on it. I'm just suggesting that for him to stay in the team you may want to say what he did right rather than "did nothing wrong" All the other players with the exception of Mitro, Perez and (to a certain extent) Wijnaldum were doing everything wrong. They done nothing wrong, so using logic it didn't make sense to drop a player who was not in any way, shape or form impacting on our poor results. You'd rather have a Mitrovic on the pitch with a bit of presence than a starved-of-service Cisse who is a player we often have to carry. Aye but we have options in the striker position we don't in other areas and Cisse is a proven goalscorer and has been pretty good in the last two games even aside from that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Cisse is a proven inconsistent striker who is anonymous in the vast majority of games, has zero interest in playing for NUFC like the majority of his colleagues who've been here for too long and is capable of scoring a goal every now and then. Mitrovic on the other hand will rough up defenders and have a bit of presence about him, hold up play, work hard and is just as likely to score a goal. We're utter dogshit and cannot afford to be carrying players and hoping to scrape Cisse 1-0's, especially when our defence is this bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Cisse is a proven inconsistent striker who is anonymous in the vast majority of games, has zero interest in playing for NUFC like the majority of his colleagues who've been here for too long and is capable of scoring a goal every now and then. Mitrovic on the other hand will rough up defenders and have a bit of presence about him, hold up play, work hard and is just as likely to score a goal. We're utter dogshit and cannot afford to be carrying players and hoping to scrape Cisse 1-0's, especially when our defence is this bad. Mitrovic is not near as likely to score as Cisse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Also a thing to keep in mind is that we actually have decent options up front which cannot be said about any other area on the pitch It's as simple as that for me. Perez and Mitro have their qualities but if you are looking for goals then Cisse is more proven in this squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 IMO he's scapegoating Perez as well. But we won, so let's see. I would rather he fit Perez into the side somehow, maybe on the left. Yeah, well he hauled him off at half time last week, he started the seaosn with him on the bench so McClaren clearly has some doubts about him for one reason or another. Why is it that we only hire managers who have doubts about our best player(s)? Dinosaurs, the lot of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I'm not sure it's fair to say he's scapegoating them TBH. He made changes, they seem weird to fans. But it's not like he's actually blaming them exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I'm not entirely sure he's scapegoating either of them as well, but in relations to Perez, Brett has it spot on. He's been ambivalent about him from the beginning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 IMO he's scapegoating Perez as well. But we won, so let's see. I would rather he fit Perez into the side somehow, maybe on the left. Yeah, well he hauled him off at half time last week, he started the seaosn with him on the bench so McClaren clearly has some doubts about him for one reason or another. He's a f***ing idiot. Aye it worked for one game, whoopdefuckingshit. If that Moreno goal had of correctly been given our players heads would have inevitably dropped and I don't doubt we would have went on to lose that game. McClaren doesn't have a clue what to do or say and his last 2 team selections have been all wrong for me. Aye, i want McClaren gone already. That half time sub against Palace was up with the worst of any Pardew subs. I was prepared to give him a chance even though he would have been nowhere near any list of mine for the job but he's making such terrible decisions over and over, not willing to move away from his favourites within the side and it's just not good enough. Like you say, the Liverpool result was good, no doubt it will be same team/system at Spurs and hope for a similar outcome but in the long run, major changes to the side are required and McClaren doesn't seem willing or knowledgable to make them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Strikers like Mitro do rely on a modicum of service, he was dropped after two games of literally none. I think when his strengths are played to, then he'll be a real handful. That's not just lumping it aerially and aimlessly. He does give us an outball but clearly he'll want crosses from wide positions to flourish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 IMO he's scapegoating Perez as well. But we won, so let's see. I would rather he fit Perez into the side somehow, maybe on the left. Yeah, well he hauled him off at half time last week, he started the seaosn with him on the bench so McClaren clearly has some doubts about him for one reason or another. Diving perhaps? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 You can't criticise some players on here without others bursting into tears. for example - Wij and Ayoze were two of the most poor and anonymous players against Palace which was rarely mentioned. Cisse was one player to actually do something good in that game. I'm no fan of Cisse, he's a limited footballer and I don't think he can be a focal point for a good team. He can't get involved and work with others in build up. I can see Mitro being a part of a really slick attacking outfit. However, even with Mitro we still suck going forward and struggle to score goals. Mitro rarely looks like scoring. His movement in the box isn't great and he's often. On his heels. Cisse is the more likely to score imo. We need to keep it tight and have a few players that can knick us goals and Cisse's that player for us. Only for the short or medium term would I play Cisse like. At this stage a strike force of Ayoze and Mitro won't get us enough goals. Would like to see both in the team sooner rather than later though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Also a thing to keep in mind is that we actually have decent options up front which cannot be said about any other area on the pitch It's as simple as that for me. Perez and Mitro have their qualities but if you are looking for goals then Cisse is more proven in this squad. As much as I like Perez I think he needed a rest as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Noone has been consistent but some players have been inconsistent over a longer period. The amount of games watching Cisse do nowt but wander into an offside position for example. Mitrovic still has plenty of credits in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 He might, just might, have decided to protect 2 young players and gone for more experience up top to try and lead the team better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 He might, just might, have decided to protect 2 young players and gone for more experience up top to try and lead the team better. Exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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