triggs Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 All about the way we attack tbh. Mitro is a good striker when a team plays to his strenghts, we just do basically the opposite. Don't see how we do He thrives on crosses into the box. We should be hammering the box with early crosses. Instead our wide players walk around a bit when we're countering and then pass it back to Colback. When we do get crosses in he almost never looks like scoring, and getting crosses in from the right is basically our only game plan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Clearly a good player with bags of potential but still a young lad trying to get to grips with a new league. To make him the main man at this stage is a hindrance to his career and does no one any good. Typical of this club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Look at his goal in the CL for Anderlecht against Arsenal. Amazing what could happen if we whipped more crosses in. I didn't watch Liverpool/West Ham but seen the highlights and Carroll had 3/4 good chances with his head from crosses. Mitro is starved of decent service. Lucky to get on the end of one or two crosses a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 One of the reasons he's lucky to get on the end of one or two crosses in a game is that he can't get above defenders to head the ball. That goal against Arsenal is the last minute, Arsenal's defence is completely stretched and he's in a race with Mertesacker to get to the ball first, good header like but that situation won't come up very often. Andy Carroll is different because he has a massive leap and is also a bit taller so you can put in any kind of cross and Carroll will probably get on the end of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 For Carroll's goal the only player he had to beat in the air was his own player. Then he did rise about the centre back from 6 yards out but it was a poor header. Had another couple on top of that. It's good quality crossing, then you notice up the other end Benteke isn't on the highlights because he's not getting the crosses Carroll is receiving. Benteke is getting a lot of stick at Liverpool but if you don't play to his strengths, you're not going to get the best of him and it's not really him who can be blamed imo. Mitro's goal against Arsenal completed their comeback in that game. Where was our crossing putting pressure on their centre backs who were clearly struggling to handle Mitro all game in the air? Only one I can think of is where De Jong showed a touch of class to even get a shot on target from what was a poor delivery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 If Andy gets a run on a player he's won the header. Mitro is rarely on the move when attacking a header. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 He'll be a dangerous player in about 3 years time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shintonsghost Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 The goals will come. He gets himself into good positions every match and gets chances. how long are you prepared to wait? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 If Andy gets a run on a player he's won the header. Mitro is rarely on the move when attacking a header. Rarely on the move? He's always looking to get runs or pointing to where he wants it. Just the cross rarely comes in or when it does it's a poor. Tbf it did against Villa but his header was awful, the movement however was very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I don't agree. You watch Crouch, Carroll or Benteke they peel off into the far post between CB and FB or just isolate the FB. Nitro is always between CB's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 The goals will come. He gets himself into good positions every match and gets chances. how long are you prepared to wait? How many are you expecting from him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 For Carroll's goal the only player he had to beat in the air was his own player. Then he did rise about the centre back from 6 yards out but it was a poor header. Had another couple on top of that. It's good quality crossing, then you notice up the other end Benteke isn't on the highlights because he's not getting the crosses Carroll is receiving. Benteke is getting a lot of stick at Liverpool but if you don't play to his strengths, you're not going to get the best of him and it's not really him who can be blamed imo. Mitro's goal against Arsenal completed their comeback in that game. Where was our crossing putting pressure on their centre backs who were clearly struggling to handle Mitro all game in the air? Only one I can think of is where De Jong showed a touch of class to even get a shot on target from what was a poor delivery. As TCD said Mitrovic often reacts late to crosses and can't get a run in the defender. For example for his overhead kick yesterday, just before it Janmaat puts in a pretty good cross and Mitrovic didn't even move towards it when it was a perfect ball to attack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 If Andy gets a run on a player he's won the header. Mitro is rarely on the move when attacking a header. Mitro's movement for the headed chance against Everton was excellent - pointed out where he wanted the cross, got the run on the defender and made good contact with the ball. Obviously should've hit the target but everything else was good centre-forward play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 So our missing game plan is to miraculously put inch perfect crosses onto our strikers' head every game? Fair enough, any striker in the world would thrive on that like. Giovinco would thrive on that. We do get balls into the box and they're hardly all shit, Mbemba and Gini yesterday got on the end of a couple, the latter also looks as though he has for more guile in the box than Mitrovic does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 So our missing game plan is to miraculously put inch perfect crosses onto our strikers' head every game? Fair enough, any striker in the world would thrive on that like. Giovinco would thrive on that. We do get balls into the box and they're hardly all shit, Mbemba and Gini yesterday got on the end of a couple, the latter also looks as though he has for more guile in the box than Mitrovic does. Aye we get plenty crosses in like, more than most teams I would imagine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 No but it's not miraculous to put wingers on each side of the pitch to get more crosses in the box. Did we put a single cross in from the left yesterday? We are so predictable and it's always going to be harder to get space for a good delivery when the opposition knows which side you're always attacking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I would believe the more crosses argument if Mitro didn't look so sluggish in the box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Unfortunately we're not in a position where we can wait for him to come good. We're relying on him to score goals now. If we sign a proven goalscorer in the January transfer window we can hopefully get into a safer league position where Mitro's misses aren't so costly and worrying. Take the pressure off him a bit and watch him develop into the striker we know he can be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 So our missing game plan is to miraculously put inch perfect crosses onto our strikers' head every game? Fair enough, any striker in the world would thrive on that like. Giovinco would thrive on that. We do get balls into the box and they're hardly all shit, Mbemba and Gini yesterday got on the end of a couple, the latter also looks as though he has for more guile in the box than Mitrovic does. Aye we get plenty crosses in like, more than most teams I would imagine Nope, according to the stats we rank 14th in crosses per game. We also attack only 23% down our left side. It's not hard to see why mitro is struggling. Fair enough then, any stats for the last 5 games on crosses? Feels like we're definitely getting plenty of crosses in lately Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I think he's struggling because he's 21 and in a new league more than service, I think he'll get better. We're shit, but any half decent Prem striker gets more than 3 in 16 for us. Gini has scored 4 headers alone and is about 3 foot tall. I think more than 2 wingers either side he needs a proper strike partner who can play on the last defender, Perez could probably do it but we keep expecting him to come deep and get involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 So our missing game plan is to miraculously put inch perfect crosses onto our strikers' head every game? Fair enough, any striker in the world would thrive on that like. Giovinco would thrive on that. We do get balls into the box and they're hardly all s***, Mbemba and Gini yesterday got on the end of a couple, the latter also looks as though he has for more guile in the box than Mitrovic does. Aye we get plenty crosses in like, more than most teams I would imagine Nope, according to the stats we rank 14th in crosses per game. We also attack only 23% down our left side. It's not hard to see why mitro is struggling. I'm not really a fan of getting the stats out but that basically just shows how inept we are down the left. Not that it wasn't glaringly obvious already. Every opposition manager in the league would know we operate everything down the right. Given we actually have a proper number 9 up top, the lack of crosses is a joke as well. I'm not having its down to lack of movement the reason why we don't whip a ball in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 For Carroll's goal the only player he had to beat in the air was his own player. Then he did rise about the centre back from 6 yards out but it was a poor header. Had another couple on top of that. It's good quality crossing, then you notice up the other end Benteke isn't on the highlights because he's not getting the crosses Carroll is receiving. Benteke is getting a lot of stick at Liverpool but if you don't play to his strengths, you're not going to get the best of him and it's not really him who can be blamed imo. Mitro's goal against Arsenal completed their comeback in that game. Where was our crossing putting pressure on their centre backs who were clearly struggling to handle Mitro all game in the air? Only one I can think of is where De Jong showed a touch of class to even get a shot on target from what was a poor delivery. As TCD said Mitrovic often reacts late to crosses and can't get a run in the defender. For example for his overhead kick yesterday, just before it Janmaat puts in a pretty good cross and Mitrovic didn't even move towards it when it was a perfect ball to attack That's what I've noticed as well, he's on his heels a few times when the crosses come in. His all round game is really good for the most part, but as the centre forward he's ultimately going to be judged on goals and I just think he's not the finished article yet. A lot more potential than Austin, but Austin is more clinical in front of goal right now and that's what gets points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Well you're not going to be the finished article at 21. Even more so with his type of game which generally gets better with experience. He's certainly divided the fans opinion on him. From potential world class to he's never going to make it at this level Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Has anyone noticed Mitrovic rarely jumps? As in, he's consistently standing on the ground when challenging for headers. It's really odd to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Well you're not going to be the finished article at 21. Even more so with his type of game which generally gets better with experience. He's certainly divided the fans opinion on him. From potential world class to he's never going to make it at this level Well it's like Villa, all very well to buy potential but if you get relegated in the process it's a bit of a false economy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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