Aleksandar Mitrović

[Hanshithispantz]

Innocent until proven guilty etc etc.

It's never been that in football tbf. Any potentially dubious action tends to be assumed guilty.

 

It's not just us either, it's the FA's approach to all teams excluding whichever top 6 side they currently have a hard-on over. I was massively surprised when Shelvey's red was reversed last year, it didn't make any sense given their track record.

[Twinport53]

Innocent until proven guilty etc etc.

It's never been that in football tbf. Any potentially dubious action tends to be assumed guilty.

 

It's not just us either, it's the FA's approach to all teams excluding whichever top 6 side they currently have a hard-on over. I was massively surprised when Shelvey's red was reversed last year, it didn't make any sense given their track record.

 

 

There is absolutely no way the FA etc can say with 100% conviction that Mitro done that with intent. But alas, "look at his track record" that has been fabricated from a couple of incidents, into a guilty precedent for his future actions.

[Ikon]

"Aleksandar Mitrovic may have accepted a charge for violent conduct and a three-game ban for his elbow on West Ham’s Manuel Lanzini last month, but the 22-year old has surprisingly defended himself, insisting he did ‘nothing wrong’ and does not understand why he has been punished, claiming it was not even a foul"

[Twinport53]

"Aleksandar Mitrovic may have accepted a charge for violent conduct and a three-game ban for his elbow on West Ham’s Manuel Lanzini last month, but the 22-year old has surprisingly defended himself, insisting he did ‘nothing wrong’ and does not understand why he has been punished, claiming it was not even a foul"

 

Was a foul given in the match?

[Segun Oluwaniyi]

Football's disciplinary system is completely useless and illogical. Mitrovic commits an unnecessary foul late after the ball has left. This is indisputable, but he hasn't attempted to injure Lanzini, used excessive force, or performed an action unrelated to football (the criteria I consider for red cards). Still, the foul needs to be punished. Why are the only options for this a yellow card during the match, no punishment at all, or a full three match ban after the fact? There is so little room for discretion and common sense. Why are a post match yellow card added to his tally or a lesser suspension not options available as punishment. Why are players absolved from any guilt if the referee "sees the incident"? They should be punished more if the referee is daft enough to miss blatant fouls a metre from the ball?

[afar]

Football's disciplinary system is completely useless and illogical. Mitrovic commits an unnecessary foul late after the ball has left. This is indisputable, but he hasn't attempted to injure Lanzini, used excessive force, or performed an action unrelated to football (the criteria I consider for red cards). Still, the foul needs to be punished. Why are the only options for this a yellow card during the match, no punishment at all, or a full three match ban after the fact? There is so little room for discretion and common sense. Why are a post match yellow card added to his tally or a lesser suspension not options available as punishment. Why are players absolved from any guilt if the referee "sees the incident"? They should be punished more if the referee is daft enough to miss blatant fouls a metre from the ball?

 

Totally agree Baba, zero consistency, common sense or logic applied.

[Away Day Gadgie]

Football's disciplinary system is completely useless and illogical. Mitrovic commits an unnecessary foul late after the ball has left. This is indisputable, but he hasn't attempted to injure Lanzini, used excessive force, or performed an action unrelated to football (the criteria I consider for red cards). Still, the foul needs to be punished. Why are the only options for this a yellow card during the match, no punishment at all, or a full three match ban after the fact? There is so little room for discretion and common sense. Why are a post match yellow card added to his tally or a lesser suspension not options available as punishment. Why are players absolved from any guilt if the referee "sees the incident"? They should be punished more if the referee is daft enough to miss blatant fouls a metre from the ball?

 

That's actually a really good point and not one i've ever heard before ?

[Pata]

Football's disciplinary system is completely useless and illogical. Mitrovic commits an unnecessary foul late after the ball has left. This is indisputable, but he hasn't attempted to injure Lanzini, used excessive force, or performed an action unrelated to football (the criteria I consider for red cards). Still, the foul needs to be punished. Why are the only options for this a yellow card during the match, no punishment at all, or a full three match ban after the fact? There is so little room for discretion and common sense. Why are a post match yellow card added to his tally or a lesser suspension not options available as punishment. Why are players absolved from any guilt if the referee "sees the incident"? They should be punished more if the referee is daft enough to miss blatant fouls a metre from the ball?

 

Great post. Football is so stuck in the past.

[DJ_NUFC]

An anecdote, or... an evening spent unexpectedly with Partizan Belgrade fans in Brampton, Ontario.

 

Gorgeous weather has befallen us Canadians (well, Ontarians) this week, so I took up the opportunity to meet a friend for drinks on a patio yesterday evening. As soon as we arrived at the bar, my friend ran into a group of his high school mates, so naturally it led to joining their group to enjoy the evening air with some boozy refreshments.

 

The table was filled with 4 dudes with light Serbo-Canadian accents, and my friend and I. As talk turned to TFC and football, they began discussing going over to Belgrade for a Partizan game. I smiled a little (images of the 0-0 and Aaron Hughes' penalty miss were already flooding mind), so I smiled and offered up, "I'm a Newcastle fan."

 

Immediately I'd realized I'd made a huge mistake.

 

One of them raised his beer-spilling mug, "WE BEAT YOU ON PK'S BUDDY! HAHA!"

 

Well, so much for me hoping they don't bring that up. I mean, it WAS almost a fucking decade ago. But here we were.

 

Then it descended into what I can only imagine what a Trump rally would sound like.

 

"Alan Shearer was crying! Hahaha. And your keeper, what's his name, SHAY GIVEN! HAHAHA." Apparently remembering Shay Given brought them all to hysterics. It was like hearing someone relive a World Cup glory they themselves had participated in.

 

This being football chatter where time and space are forever in flux, with events that occurred decades ago still being spoken about as if they're unfolding before our eyes, I raised my mug in return, hoping to come in peace, "your boys played well, deserved to go through."

 

So then I hoped to move the conversation away from this mocking, by bringing up Mitrovic. "What're your thoughts on him? Would love to know."

 

This brought about a barrage of bile with statements such as: "You guys don't give him enough minutes," "you wouldn't have been relegated if you'd started him every game, he was your best player!" And "he was your best player last year, he was responsible for bringing you back up, and you don't even start him," and "he needs to leave for a big club."

 

Then, of course, things turned full retard, with nonsensical attacks on Rafa. "Who the fuck is Rafa Benitez anyway? Every club he's touched since Liverpool has turned to shit. Haha. It shows he's clueless, it's why he's managing a club that was not even in the Premiership!"

 

It took Gandhian levels of sighing, patience and internal calmness to not lose my shit at these guys. I explained to them the need for Rafa to be closer to his family, what kind of man he is, how he's taken to the city and fans, etc.

 

I mean, after the initial bit of retardation, the rest of the evening went pretty amicable. Typical chapter in the life of an outnumbered, forrin Newcastle fan.

 

Thought I'd share

 

Edit: It'd be remiss of me to not say that at least one of the 4 PB fans agreed with my rebuttals of Mitro lacking pace and finishing instincts for the PL. So it wasn't all bad.

[Guest]

[gazza ladra]

I was just telling my son about the Partizan game last night.  That was the year he was born.

 

We were watching the CL game between Spurs and Dortmund and I described the whole train wreck to him. Partizan, Souness, Dyer v. Bowyer, everything right down to the present day. 

 

(Anyway, I've noticed that when he talks about NUFC he says "we".)

[DJ_NUFC]

I was just telling my son about the Partizan game last night.  That was the year he was born.

 

We were watching the CL game between Spurs and Dortmund and I described the whole train wreck to him. Partizan, Souness, Dyer v. Bowyer, everything right down to the present day. 

 

(Anyway, I've noticed that when talks about NUFC he says "we".)

 

Awww. It's heartbreaking telling younger fans who didn't see all these highs and lows about what transpired, both because you wish for them to have experienced it, and mainly because you realize how quickly time has passed and how much older we've become since.

[Guest]

Maybe worth nudging before Partizan is only signing Lee Bowyer to add to the squad that just finished 3rd, while Chelsea were out getting Veron, Joe Cole, Duff, Bridge, Mutu, Makelele, etc. with their new billions.

[PartizanFC]

Interesting ....

 

I remember happines in whole street after that game.People just run outside,crying..huging each other...

First time in my whole life i saw my grandfather with tears in the eyes

It was big suprise,we didnt beleive in victory after 0:1 in Belgrade..but that is football

[DJ_NUFC]

I didn't realize, I don't think most NUFC fans do, the important part we played in one of the events that have seemingly become intertwined with Serbian footballing identity. Makes sense the experience I had, then, seeing how important that win was for your fans & club.

[Happinesstan]

I didn't realize, I don't think most NUFC fans do, the important part we played in one of the events that have seemingly become intertwined with Serbian footballing identity. Makes sense the experience I had, then, seeing how important that win was for your fans & club.

 

It makes one proud to be a Geordie.

[Paully]

[Guest]

Closest he'll ever get to a hat-trick.

 

HAHAHAHA MISStrovic you useless cunt.

[Happinesstan]

 

How can you look at that and not want him to do well.

[LoveItIfWeBeatU]

People want him to do well. When he doesn't do well people are allowed to criticise.

[sixx]

It's a damn shame we weren't able to bring in a proper striker this summer as we could have sent Mitro out on loan. He needs an extended run of games and he needs to prove to the club he can be relied on.

[Happinesstan]

People want him to do well. When he doesn't do well people are allowed to criticise.

 

I never suggested they weren't. Just thought "you useless cunt" was a weird response to a pic of him celebrating somebody's birthday.

 

[ponsaelius]

It was clearly sarcasm

[xLiaaamx]

Criticising him when he makes mistakes is fine, but there's always plenty of "He's still shite" comments when he scores tbf.

[afar]

On evidence of the last 3 games, honestly believe Mitro offers us as much if not more in the build/link up department and is a better finisher than Joselu, if only he could stay available for selection he would be our best option in a one up top formation, in my view.