STM Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I worry when he's on the ball. He just doesn't look confident with the ball, especially in comparison to our other 3/4 centre backs. He seems to have lost all his confidence but if it's to do with the stick he got, it's entirely his own fault. I still think he's a good player, when he's on form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 He has never looked confident on the ball. The other CBs being alright on the ball has just further highlighted Lascelles's deficiencies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Used to think very highly of him, but the recent approach of backing Ashley, insulting the fans and suddenly turning his back on commitments without (apparently) valid reason is not a good look. Whatever this change in approach is from him, it's really impacting his performances - is he trying to alienate himself and leave? Part of me thinks he's got a bit big for his boots and should be fucked off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Used to think very highly of him, but the recent approach of backing Ashley, insulting the fans and suddenly turning his back on commitments without (apparently) valid reason is not a good look. Whatever this change in approach is from him, it's really impacting his performances - is he trying to alienate himself and leave? Part of me thinks he's got a bit big for his boots and should be fucked off. He's got too big for his own good, also for the first time at Newcastle he's on the back foot in terms of competition and form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 What's to suggest he's getting too cocky? IMO he looks bereft of confidence. I think the negative pushback from the fans has got to him a bit and its affecting his performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Nothing, just the usual overblown rhetoric. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsprillasShinPad Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Hope he regains his form. Noting that we have a couple of ball playing CBs, having a 'simple stuff' defender (noting that he hasn't been doing even this recently) should work very well. For every Woodgate or Albert, a CB partnership needs a Terry or a Maguire to just keep the opposition out of the game. Agree with most of the above though - if he doesn't sort it out he needs dropping so he can reset his position within the team mentally. He probably thinks he's the big swinging dick in the changing room (which he partially is, as he's the captain) but if he gets too big for his boots and assumes that his starting berth is safe, he might end up being the next Danny Simpson, which nobody wants... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 What's to suggest he's getting too cocky? IMO he looks bereft of confidence. I think the negative pushback from the fans has got to him a bit and its affecting his performance. The way he's went on in the media, getting a new contract for absolutely no reason after getting one a year ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 If he had a legit reason for not being able to go, then them putting the words "let us down" is canny harsh like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Yeah, I think that’s poor from them without getting his side to why he was unable to attend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 What's to suggest he's getting too cocky? IMO he looks bereft of confidence. I think the negative pushback from the fans has got to him a bit and its affecting his performance. The way he's went on in the media, getting a new contract for absolutely no reason after getting one a year ago. So the club offers him a new contract and he should turn it down for fear of being labelled as 'cocky'? FFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 What's to suggest he's getting too cocky? IMO he looks bereft of confidence. I think the negative pushback from the fans has got to him a bit and its affecting his performance. It was his choice to come out and publicly back Ashley after being pro-Rafa and NUFC (fronting out to him over the continuous bonus disputes) as soon as he got offered a nice shiny new contract. He antagonised the fans by publicly backing MA in the face of protest and insulted our intelligence by saying he didn't even know Rafa was having struggles and this was preventing him from signing a new contract... Honestly, what the fuck did he expect? His banner was still displayed at the game after as well, so trying to blame fans for this is ridiculous. He's coming across as 'cocky' as he's trying to come across like he knows better than us what is best for the club. Also using his position to be a spokesperson for MA to placate the sheep who are still constantly attending. He's a sellout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I’m not sure cocky is the right word - personally I think he was sent to the lions without realising on total sport and I think he’s a bit ignorant of what the protests actually meant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I'm sure there'll be a reasonable explanation, but if there isn't it's a bit of a slap in the face for those excusing his lauding of Ashley because he does this sort of work in the community. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 What did he say about Ashley and the fans? I've obviously completely missed it I used to check up on NUFC news every dinner break and knew all the stories and rumours. I'm not even sure what position some of our squad are supposed to play these days Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Ashley seems like a nice guy - okay wrong, but he wasn't commenting on his ethics. Fans to 'stop the negativity' - this I take issue with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I'm sure there'll be a reasonable explanation, but if there isn't it's a bit of a slap in the face for those excusing his lauding of Ashley because he does this sort of work in the community. I'm sure most, myself included, would be willing to accept he's a bell end for sacking off agreed events without a valid reason like His track record indicates it's probably not the case. Certainly not frothing at the gash for him to solidify his position as the new nufc bogeyman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Hope he regains his form. Noting that we have a couple of ball playing CBs, having a 'simple stuff' defender (noting that he hasn't been doing even this recently) should work very well. For every Woodgate or Albert, a CB partnership needs a Terry or a Maguire to just keep the opposition out of the game. Agree with most of the above though - if he doesn't sort it out he needs dropping so he can reset his position within the team mentally. He probably thinks he's the big swinging dick in the changing room (which he partially is, as he's the captain) but if he gets too big for his boots and assumes that his starting berth is safe, he might end up being the next Danny Simpson, which nobody wants... Winning the title with another club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Ashley seems like a nice guy - okay wrong, but he wasn't commenting on his ethics. Fans to 'stop the negativity' - this I take issue with. Yeah, that's shit and totally misplaced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 What's to suggest he's getting too cocky? IMO he looks bereft of confidence. I think the negative pushback from the fans has got to him a bit and its affecting his performance. The way he's went on in the media, getting a new contract for absolutely no reason after getting one a year ago. So the club offers him a new contract and he should turn it down for fear of being labelled as 'cocky'? FFS It's very easy to decide a certain type of person is cocky. What's to suggest he's getting too cocky? IMO he looks bereft of confidence. I think the negative pushback from the fans has got to him a bit and its affecting his performance. It was his choice to come out and publicly back Ashley after being pro-Rafa and NUFC (fronting out to him over the continuous bonus disputes) as soon as he got offered a nice shiny new contract. He antagonised the fans by publicly backing MA in the face of protest and insulted our intelligence by saying he didn't even know Rafa was having struggles and this was preventing him from signing a new contract... Honestly, what the fuck did he expect? His banner was still displayed at the game after as well, so trying to blame fans for this is ridiculous. He's coming across as 'cocky' as he's trying to come across like he knows better than us what is best for the club. Also using his position to be a spokesperson for MA to placate the sheep who are still constantly attending. He's a sellout. He sounds ignorant. He's right in the sense that negativity isn't good for the football team that he's captain of. He's silly for backing Ashley on a personal level the way he did. Aye it was his choice to come out and talk. But that doesn't mean he's bulletproof and it won't affect his mental state and confidence. When he first kind of burst on the scene, he was lauded for digging into the team. That demonstrably built his confidence and he played in an assured manner. Now his public remarks have backfired and he's looked jittery since. I think there's some correlation imo. Btw Terry and Maguire are/were very good on the ball. John Terry was an excellent passer. He just wasn't the type to take it into midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I'm sure there'll be a reasonable explanation, but if there isn't it's a bit of a slap in the face for those excusing his lauding of Ashley because he does this sort of work in the community. I'm sure most, myself included, would be willing to accept he's a bell end for sacking off agreed events without a valid reason like His track record indicates it's probably not the case. Certainly not frothing at the gash for him to solidify his position as the new nufc bogeyman. Just frothing at the gash to defend anything and everything NUFC-related then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Lascelles is a very good defender, our best IMO, but he’s having a poor season and as long as his limitations on the ball are continually going to be a negative aspect, he will struggle to develop much further. A development that owes a lot to Rafa’s coaching. He will never be a top-class CB. If someone offered us 20-25m in January I’d take it. As sad as I found his statements regarding the owner and protests, however, let’s not use that as a stick to beat him with regarding his performances and how important he has been for us over the past few seasons, last season he was immense given the circumstances and has been our best player in general under Rafa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I'm sure there'll be a reasonable explanation, but if there isn't it's a bit of a slap in the face for those excusing his lauding of Ashley because he does this sort of work in the community. I'm sure most, myself included, would be willing to accept he's a bell end for sacking off agreed events without a valid reason like His track record indicates it's probably not the case. Certainly not frothing at the gash for him to solidify his position as the new nufc bogeyman. Just frothing at the gash to defend anything and everything NUFC-related then. Quite right, as it should be (with the obvious fat cunt of an exception). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Lascelles is a very good defender, our best IMO, but he’s having a poor season and as long as his limitations on the ball are continually going to be a negative aspect, he will struggle to develop much further. A development that owes a lot to Rafa’s coaching. He will never be a top-class CB. If someone offered us 20-25m in January I’d take it. As sad as I found his statements regarding the owner and protests, however, let’s not use that as a stick to beat him with regarding his performances and how important he has been for us over the past few seasons, last season he was immense given the circumstances and has been our best player in general under Rafa. That's fair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Minus the selling bit like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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