Sho Time Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 fantastic player - really like him. But against Man U he alone cost us 2 goals. Still young What the fuck are you talking about man? It's not like he made a Darlow style clanger to gift them the game - he had a ridiculously harsh penalty decision given against him that 9/10 referees would have correctly turned down and aye he made a suspect pass for the 2nd, but were the rest of the team busting a gut to get back? Could other defenders have done better? He played quite well and made an error there but to say 'he alone' cost us 2 goals is nothing short of utter bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 fantastic player - really like him. But against Man U he alone cost us 2 goals. Still young What the fuck are you talking about man? It's not like he made a Darlow style clanger to gift them the game - he had a ridiculously harsh penalty decision given against him that 9/10 referees would have correctly turned down and aye he made a suspect pass for the 2nd, but were the rest of the team busting a gut to get back? Could other defenders have done better? He played quite well and made an error there but to say 'he alone' cost us 2 goals is nothing short of utter bollocks. He did play a pretty big part in the second like, obviously not all his fault but the way he seemed to jog back after losing the ball was very discouraging Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 fantastic player - really like him. But against Man U he alone cost us 2 goals. Still young What the f*** are you talking about man? It's not like he made a Darlow style clanger to gift them the game - he had a ridiculously harsh penalty decision given against him that 9/10 referees would have correctly turned down and aye he made a suspect pass for the 2nd, but were the rest of the team busting a gut to get back? Could other defenders have done better? He played quite well and made an error there but to say 'he alone' cost us 2 goals is nothing short of utter bollocks. he had a poor match - no point in denying it! That penalty decision was unfortunately 100% correct! he lost his man and was lost completely. 2nd goal he made a horror pass in a critical position well...right there you have it! As i said...quality player, still young and learning at this level though...nothing wrong with that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Haven't read too much on here after the game, but are people actually arguing that Mbembas handball shouldn't have been a penalty? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Haven't read too much on here after the game, but are people actually arguing that Mbembas handball shouldn't have been a penalty? Read the Premier League refereeing thread to learn more. It was never a penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 fantastic player - really like him. But against Man U he alone cost us 2 goals. Still young What the f*** are you talking about man? It's not like he made a Darlow style clanger to gift them the game - he had a ridiculously harsh penalty decision given against him that 9/10 referees would have correctly turned down and aye he made a suspect pass for the 2nd, but were the rest of the team busting a gut to get back? Could other defenders have done better? He played quite well and made an error there but to say 'he alone' cost us 2 goals is nothing short of utter bollocks. he had a poor match - no point in denying it! That penalty decision was unfortunately 100% correct! he lost his man and was lost completely. 2nd goal he made a horror pass in a critical position well...right there you have it! As i said...quality player, still young and learning at this level though...nothing wrong with that! 1st point I completely disagree with, the 2nd I agree he made a poor pass but the goal still could have been prevented if the team didn't just give up with running back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Wow, ok..! Arm stretched in unnatural position, Mbemba clearly aware that he has mistimed the ball as he is looking at his arm and the Man Utd player to try and block the header (which he manged successfully). It was more arm seeking ball than the other way around. Clear penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Wow, ok..! Arm stretched in unnatural position, Mbemba clearly aware that he has mistimed the ball as he is looking at his arm and the Man Utd player to try and block the header (which he manged successfully). It was more arm seeking ball than the other way around. Clear penalty. Do you think he handled it deliberately? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Wow, ok..! Arm stretched in unnatural position, Mbemba clearly aware that he has mistimed the ball as he is looking at his arm and the Man Utd player to try and block the header (which he manged successfully). It was more arm seeking ball than the other way around. Clear penalty. Here we fucking go... I'm not arguing the same point in 2 different threads, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Didn't know it was being argued other places as well, sorry for that. I'll leave it at this: I think he handled it deliberately, and got punished correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 The second penalty call was the real travesty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 fantastic player - really like him. But against Man U he alone cost us 2 goals. Still young What the f*** are you talking about man? It's not like he made a Darlow style clanger to gift them the game - he had a ridiculously harsh penalty decision given against him that 9/10 referees would have correctly turned down and aye he made a suspect pass for the 2nd, but were the rest of the team busting a gut to get back? Could other defenders have done better? He played quite well and made an error there but to say 'he alone' cost us 2 goals is nothing short of utter bollocks. he had a poor match - no point in denying it! That penalty decision was unfortunately 100% correct! he lost his man and was lost completely. 2nd goal he made a horror pass in a critical position well...right there you have it! As i said...quality player, still young and learning at this level though...nothing wrong with that! 1st point I completely disagree with, the 2nd I agree he made a poor pass but the goal still could have been prevented if the team didn't just give up with running back. 2nd goal. you can´t make a pass like that when you´re not under more pressure. PL teams punish you for mistakes like that. the running back could be better....maybe colo could have done better? But its still an error that cost a goal...had Colback done it he would probably be dead by now! The handball - maybe he didn´t do it on purpose - but he took away a free header... I will give you that apart from those incidents he did ok. I "like" when he carries the ball forward - only problem is he always ends up losing it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 It's a handball man. Why is his hand in that position? Unnatural position. He has no idea where Fellaini wass and allowed Fellaini to get a couple yards space which is just bad defending. IN his defence, he personally should not be marking Fellaini from a corner. Although you would hope your CB would be a match for Fellaini in the air. If his hand was by his side or on his body I wouldn't blame him at all. But he gave the ref a real decision to make and it looked a pen to me. A clear one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Bring up the law then. There's stuff on it to do with position of arm. Having your arm horizontal in the air when challenging for a ball is suicide imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 It always looked a bit dodgy when none of the Man U players even appealed it, Gini got fouled loads in the box on the night and it wasn't even brought up for conversation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 He knew exactly where Fellaini was, that's why the exaggerated use of the arm and yes it was a pen . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Bring up the law then. There's stuff on it to do with position of arm. Having your arm horizontal in the air when challenging for a ball is suicide imo To be fair, the stuff it says in relation to the position of the arm is that "the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement". Along with the other stuff it is implying you shouldn't take the position of the hand into consideration. You could argue his hand is moving towards the ball I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Don't bite man, don't. Waste of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Personally I thought, still think, he was just reaching to locate the man he was meant to be marking. That is why his arm was there, not to aid his jump, nor to deliberately block the ball. If position makes a difference -- natural unnatural, high-low-a bit too camp -- (I don't know, and frankly can't be arsed to find out) then he was foolish to risk it. If the ref has to guess intent, based on the players movement/behaviour, then I think he's got it wrong, as he did for the Janmmat scything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Personally I thought, still think, he was just reaching to locate the man he was meant to be marking. That is why his arm was there, not to aid his jump, nor to deliberately block the ball. If position makes a difference -- natural unnatural, high-low-a bit too camp -- (I don't know, and frankly can't be arsed to find out) then he was foolish to risk it. If the ref has to guess intent, based on the players movement/behaviour, then I think he's got it wrong, as he did for the Janmmat scything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 It always looked a bit dodgy when none of the Man U players even appealed it, Gini got fouled loads in the box on the night and it wasn't even brought up for conversation Yeah they did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Personally I thought, still think, he was just reaching to locate the man he was meant to be marking. That is why his arm was there, not to aid his jump, nor to deliberately block the ball. If position makes a difference -- natural unnatural, high-low-a bit too camp -- (I don't know, and frankly can't be arsed to find out) then he was foolish to risk it. If the ref has to guess intent, based on the players movement/behaviour, then I think he's got it wrong, as he did for the Janmmat scything. Kind of, I saw it that he was thinking of stopping their progress, man or ball, whichever. I still think penalty was the correct call after watching slo-mo's and numerous angles. How the ref came to that conclusion in real time is different though, tbf same goes for our given penalty. The challenge on Janmaat and Fellaini still being on the pitch at the end were still disgraceful though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 It looked like Mbemba knew he was in trouble and was trying to make himself big. His sole intention may not have been to handle the ball, but there was a clear risk of that happening. On another day, he might have got away with it, but a pen was a fair decision. The worse call was Colback being denied a pen. It was the sort of challenge that would be a free kick anywhere but in the area. The defender took hold of him and that affected his balance when he was trying to shoot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 It looked like Mbemba knew he was in trouble and was trying to make himself big. His sole intention may not have been to handle the ball, but there was a clear risk of that happening. On another day, he might have got away with it, but a pen was a fair decision. The worse call was Colback being denied a pen. It was the sort of challenge that would be a free kick anywhere but in the area. The defender took hold of him and that affected his balance when he was trying to shoot on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 It looked like Mbemba knew he was in trouble and was trying to make himself big. His sole intention may not have been to handle the ball, but there was a clear risk of that happening. On another day, he might have got away with it, but a pen was a fair decision. I don't think players have a responsibility to avoid handball at all costs though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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