HawK Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 End of the day it was dangerous play, whether intentional or not, it was reckless. Red for me like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I think you're all lying to yourselves if you think that you wouldn't be shouting for a red if it was the other way around. I think some of them still haven't caught up with the tougher guidelines for referees concerning dangerous tackles and think it's still 1995. Going into a tackle with your studs up and shin high is asking for a red even if there is minimal contact. I had this argument on Saturday with mojo and he ended up telling me to fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I think you're all lying to yourselves if you think that you wouldn't be shouting for a red if it was the other way around. I certainly wouldn't. How soft do people want this league to be, man. Yellow card all day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 It only looks a red because of the modern trend of pointlessly viewing everything back in slow motion and from 40 different angles. In real time no-one even reacted to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Even Waddle the daft cunt thought it was a yellow until he saw it in super slo-mo from a reverse angle and then said "I can see why he's given it from here." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I think you're all lying to yourselves if you think that you wouldn't be shouting for a red if it was the other way around. I think some of them still haven't caught up with the tougher guidelines for referees concerning dangerous tackles and think it's still 1995. Going into a tackle with your studs up and shin high is asking for a red even if there is minimal contact. I had this argument on Saturday with mojo and he ended up telling me to fuck off. That reminds me, I saw Match of the Day highlights of a match between us an Wimbledon where Vinnie Jones nigh on kicked Rob Lee's head off and Jimmy Hill sat there and implied that the game had gone soft and that he was unfortunate to be sent off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 End of the day it was dangerous play, whether intentional or not, it was reckless. Red for me like. How was it dangerous though? No actual force. It was reckless because it was careless, but no way was it dangerous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I think you're all lying to yourselves if you think that you wouldn't be shouting for a red if it was the other way around. I certainly wouldn't. How soft do people want this league to be, man. Yellow card all day. I think the majority would. It was late and over the ball with his studs down Coquelin's shin man. What more do you want? The only thing missing is it being intentional. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I think you're all lying to yourselves if you think that you wouldn't be shouting for a red if it was the other way around. I think some of them still haven't caught up with the tougher guidelines for referees concerning dangerous tackles and think it's still 1995. Going into a tackle with your studs up and shin high is asking for a red even if there is minimal contact. I had this argument on Saturday with mojo and he ended up telling me to fuck off. How do you even go in to that challenge without your studs showing man? He's in a standing position Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 The studs showing challenge is referring to sliding tackles where you smash into the ball with your heel (it's a red even if you win the ball), it doesn't mean the soles of your feet should permanently be facing soil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 What is a shin pad for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I think you're all lying to yourselves if you think that you wouldn't be shouting for a red if it was the other way around. I certainly wouldn't. How soft do people want this league to be, man. Yellow card all day. I think the majority would. It was late and over the ball with his studs down Coquelin's shin man. What more do you want? The only thing missing is it being intentional. It was a clumsy and careless attempt to get the ball. He missed and hit the shin of Coquelin without any real force. It was never dangerous. The look of Cazorla tells you all you need to know. He looked straight at the incident when it happened. Couldn't believe it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 His foot comes down in a stamping motion because he's trying to trap the ball, but he misses the ball and accidentally stamps on Coquelin, then leaves his foot there. Like I said before, I reckon it's an orange card, but his own stupidly made reputation has notched it up to a red. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I think you're all lying to yourselves if you think that you wouldn't be shouting for a red if it was the other way around. I certainly wouldn't. How soft do people want this league to be, man. Yellow card all day. I think the majority would. It was late and over the ball with his studs down Coquelin's shin man. What more do you want? The only thing missing is it being intentional. It was a clumsy and careless attempt to get the ball. He missed and hit the shin of Coquelin without any real force. It was never dangerous. The look of Cazorla tells you all you need to know. He looked straight at the incident when it happened. Couldn't believe it. Watch it again, he doesn't 'hit' his shin like, he stands on his shin/foot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I think you're all lying to yourselves if you think that you wouldn't be shouting for a red if it was the other way around. I certainly wouldn't. How soft do people want this league to be, man. Yellow card all day. I think the majority would. It was late and over the ball with his studs down Coquelin's shin man. What more do you want? The only thing missing is it being intentional. It was a clumsy and careless attempt to get the ball. He missed and hit the shin of Coquelin without any real force. It was never dangerous. The look of Cazorla tells you all you need to know. He looked straight at the incident when it happened. Couldn't believe it. Watch it again, he doesn't 'hit' his shin, he stands on his shin/foot. Whatever, it was soft as shit man. He just about scraped the cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 His foot comes down in a stamping motion because he's trying to trap the ball, but he misses the ball and accidentally stamps on Coquelin, then leaves his foot there. Like I said before, I reckon it's an orange card, but his own stupidly made reputation has notched it up to a red. Pretty much agree with this, but I don't think his reputation should have anything to do with it. Most other players would have been booked, he should've been too IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 His foot comes down in a stamping motion because he's trying to trap the ball, but he misses the ball and accidentally stamps on Coquelin, then leaves his foot there. Like I said before, I reckon it's an orange card, but his own stupidly made reputation has notched it up to a red. For me it's a clear yellow. The reason I wouldn't give a red is because like you say, he doesn't do it with malice. He comes in late over the top but always looking at the ball. He doesn't have time to stop his movement, no one reacts that fast. It's not like he lunges into a tackle with the studs showing knowing that he might catch someone. To me it looks like he's unaware of Coquelin even being there until after Coquelin gets the ball. I do see why the ref gave a red, but still find it an extremely poor decision and I think most people are mad because had it been an Arsenal player he would only have given a yellow if even that. I mean Wijnaldum and Coloccini were two other yellow cards that were absolutely ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I think you're all lying to yourselves if you think that you wouldn't be shouting for a red if it was the other way around. I think some of them still haven't caught up with the tougher guidelines for referees concerning dangerous tackles and think it's still 1995. Going into a tackle with your studs up and shin high is asking for a red even if there is minimal contact. I had this argument on Saturday with mojo and he ended up telling me to fuck off. How do you even go in to that challenge without your studs showing man? He's in a standing position Yes but his foot was raised and his studs made contact, there's a photo of it man. Isaid it on Saturday, that even if you just graze someone with your studs you can do some damage. Yes Coquelin made a meal of it but when there's contact the ref has no choice but to assume it's genuine. The initial contact was with the lower part of the shin pad, but then he did slide down to the unprotected part nearer the foot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 What is a shin pad for? Alright then lets make it legal that you can tackle as bad as you want as long as you connect with the shin pad. One thing about Mitrovic's red card, just watched it again. If he is going for the ball it's an absolutely shit attempt to get the ball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 What is a shin pad for? Alright then lets make it legal that you can tackle as bad as you want as long as you connect with the shin pad. One thing about Mitrovic's red card, just watched it again. If he is going for the ball it's an absolutely shit attempt to get the ball I'd like to think it was just a clumsy challenge, but on the other hand if he's that clumsy he's liable to repeat it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 End of the day it was dangerous play, whether intentional or not, it was reckless. Red for me like. How was it dangerous though? No actual force. It was reckless because it was careless, but no way was it dangerous. He could have broken his toenail and got an infection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 What is a shin pad for? Alright then lets make it legal that you can tackle as bad as you want as long as you connect with the shin pad. One thing about Mitrovic's red card, just watched it again. If he is going for the ball it's an absolutely s*** attempt to get the ball No, I just don't think it should be a red based on all but studs being involved. Intent and force should conclude that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I think you're all lying to yourselves if you think that you wouldn't be shouting for a red if it was the other way around. I think some of them still haven't caught up with the tougher guidelines for referees concerning dangerous tackles and think it's still 1995. Going into a tackle with your studs up and shin high is asking for a red even if there is minimal contact. I had this argument on Saturday with mojo and he ended up telling me to fuck off. How do you even go in to that challenge without your studs showing man? He's in a standing position Yes but his foot was raised and his studs made contact, there's a photo of it man. Isaid it on Saturday, that even if you just graze someone with your studs you can do some damage. Yes Coquelin made a meal of it but when there's contact the ref has no choice but to assume it's genuine. The initial contact was with the lower part of the shin pad, but then he did slide down to the unprotected part nearer the foot. I know he made contact, I'm not debating that. It's just completely impractical for him to win the ball in any other way from the position he was in; the ball was nicked away and he landed on Coquelin instead. You're bringing 'studs up' into it but that has always referred to dangerous leg breaking challenges where you throw your whole weight behind your heel going in. A stamp is a stamp and a rake is a rake, they're red cards (when intentional) because it's serious foul play regardless of studs. A kick to the shin is also a red etc. A tackle is never a red card unless your going in like an idiot, studs flat facing the ball with force behind it, hence it's a 'studs up' challenge. I've said before but I can see why people think this is a red like, it can be viewed as either wreckless or intentional. I disagree with both though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Hans calls a rake a rake As I've said I thought it was far too marginal for him or us to feel too aggrieved. I don't think it was quite a red but it wasn't far off and he was an idiot doing that after 15 minutes. The overall refereeing was disgusting though, never seen an Arsenal side throw themselves around quite so often against us and unfortunately we had a referee only too happy to humour them. The 2 shoulder charges and the disparity in how they were punished being a good example. I thought neither was a yellow but it's either one or both. Basically he seemed to take pleasure in giving us nowt all afternoon, missing the penalty shout aside. It was all about him and he looked like he enjoyed himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Hans calls a rake a rake As I've said I thought it was far too marginal for him or us to feel too aggrieved. I don't think it was quite a red but it wasn't far off and he was an idiot doing that after 15 minutes. The overall refereeing was disgusting though, never seen an Arsenal side throw themselves around quite so often against us and unfortunately we had a referee only too happy to humour them. The 2 shoulder charges and the disparity in how they were punished being a good example. I thought neither was a yellow but it's either one or both. Basically he seemed to take pleasure in giving us nowt all afternoon, missing the penalty shout aside. It was all about him and he looked like he enjoyed himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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