Jonjo Shelvey (now playing for Burnley)

[Shearergol]

 

Agreed.

[mighty__mag]

The ref has been dropped as well? get in

 

Was the linesmen who flagged for the Shelvey incident.

 

The ref gave Dummett a red because he was the last man.

 

But both were soft all the same.

[Hanshithispantz]

Pretty mental seeing fans of other Championship clubs relaying the "one rule for the big clubs" that we trot out ourselves in the Premiership

[Foluwashola]

Pretty mental seeing fans of other Championship clubs relaying the "one rule for the big clubs" that we trot out ourselves in the Premiership

 

It would make sense if everyone in the football world didn't agree completely that the decisions were mental.

 

It's all coming back what little freaks Forest fans were last time round. Scabs.

[Hanshithispantz]

Pretty mental seeing fans of other Championship clubs relaying the "one rule for the big clubs" that we trot out ourselves in the Premiership

 

It would make sense if everyone in the football world didn't agree completely that the decisions were mental.

 

It's all coming back what little freaks Forest fans were last time round. Scabs.

Their forum's a right crease like, they're absolutely desperate to maintain some credibility for their win

 

11v11 they had the best chance in the game!

[geordiesteve710]

Pretty mental seeing fans of other Championship clubs relaying the "one rule for the big clubs" that we trot out ourselves in the Premiership

 

Even weirder given that they just got three points handed to them on a plate against us too!!!

[Foluwashola]

Pretty mental seeing fans of other Championship clubs relaying the "one rule for the big clubs" that we trot out ourselves in the Premiership

 

It would make sense if everyone in the football world didn't agree completely that the decisions were mental.

 

It's all coming back what little freaks Forest fans were last time round. Scabs.

Their forum's a right crease like, they're absolutely desperate to maintain some credibility for their win

 

11v11 they had the best chance in the game!

 

Just had a quick look at one. We're obviously massively fucking biased as well but they're all insistent they were two red card offences still. The FA ALWAYS back their refs unless the decisions were ridiculous. Can't get away with their stupidity.

[Pilko]

Can you imagine Man U under Fergie ever getting two bullshit reds in one game like that?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Can you imagine Man U under Fergie ever getting two bullshit reds in one game like that?

 

In their favour only.

[Benwell Lad]

In a season and a league where he has been the stand out player he almost took it to another level yesterday.

Imperious, 10 out of 10, and amazing work rate as well.

[Paully]

Yep, absolutely fantastic yesterday! Absolutely pisses it!

[joeyt]

But HTT said he is bang average and can't play with a Hayden so we must all be wrong

[GeordieDazzler]

Was running himself into the ground even at 4-0

[HawK]

Yep, absolutely fantastic yesterday! Absolutely pisses it!

 

Heard on the radio that Birmingham just didn't press him and was allowed to dictate play. Mental tactics if true.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

But HTT said he is bang average and can't play with a Hayden so we must all be wrong

 

He is an average PL player and I don't think I've ever said he and Hayden cannot play together, I think you are mistaking me for someone else perhaps. Shelvey was fantastic yesterday, however, which I managed to witness in the flesh. Huge work rate as well. Piss poor tactics from Birmingham though, they just sat off and didn't press or do anything really. One of the worst teams I've seen at SJP as good as we were.

[Heron]

TBF it shows how bad this league is from a managerial point of view the amount of time and space Shelvey gets almost every game. If you had someone man marking him and pressing him all game our team would be half as effective.

[jimmymag]

But HTT said he is bang average and can't play with a Hayden so we must all be wrong

 

He is an average PL player and I don't think I've ever said he and Hayden cannot play together, I think you are mistaking me for someone else perhaps. Shelvey was fantastic yesterday, however, which I managed to witness in the flesh. Huge work rate as well. Piss poor tactics from Birmingham though, they just sat off and didn't press or do anything really. One of the worst teams I've seen at SJP as good as we were.

 

Utter Bollocks! He's much better than your average PL player. Some of the passes he makes most PL players would never even contemplate, he's got the close control to get out of trouble when pressed and his composure when he gets forward is superb, apart from his long distance shooting.

 

His consistency has always been an issue but, under Rafa, he's putting in top performances week in and week out.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

But HTT said he is bang average and can't play with a Hayden so we must all be wrong

 

He is an average PL player and I don't think I've ever said he and Hayden cannot play together, I think you are mistaking me for someone else perhaps. Shelvey was fantastic yesterday, however, which I managed to witness in the flesh. Huge work rate as well. p*ss poor tactics from Birmingham though, they just sat off and didn't press or do anything really. One of the worst teams I've seen at SJP as good as we were.

 

Utter Bollocks! He's much better than your average PL player. Some of the passes he makes most PL players would never even contemplate, he's got the close control to get out of trouble when pressed and his composure when he gets forward is superb, apart from his long distance shooting.

 

His consistency has always been an issue but, under Rafa, he's putting in top performances week in and week out.

 

Well, I disagree. I think he's just an average player in that division. His passing is of a very high standard, but switching play wide with long balls to players not being marked or in space isn't that hard a skill. Through balls, one twos etc. are more difficult and while he's capable, he is no Fabregas or Özil.

 

Anyway its his all-round game that is average. Does he create enough, does he score enough? He's quite a luxury player in many ways. He's bossing this league as he should, but he's quite an easy player to nullify because he has no pace or dribbling skills so press him and man mark him and he can become very one dimensional. I'm absolutely shocked that he is constantly allowed the freedom of the pitch to be honest.

 

His best games for us is when he has acres of space and time. If he can dominate midfield against better sides and players where space and time is of a premium, then fair enough. He hadn't shown he can do that not even on an average basis never mind consistent so I won't hold my breath.

 

I'd be worried if he's our main man next season in midfield if we are a Premier League side. He could work in a midfield three, but we would need someone like Kante in and around him.

[HawK]

But HTT said he is bang average and can't play with a Hayden so we must all be wrong

 

He is an average PL player and I don't think I've ever said he and Hayden cannot play together, I think you are mistaking me for someone else perhaps. Shelvey was fantastic yesterday, however, which I managed to witness in the flesh. Huge work rate as well. p*ss poor tactics from Birmingham though, they just sat off and didn't press or do anything really. One of the worst teams I've seen at SJP as good as we were.

 

Utter Bollocks! He's much better than your average PL player. Some of the passes he makes most PL players would never even contemplate, he's got the close control to get out of trouble when pressed and his composure when he gets forward is superb, apart from his long distance shooting.

 

His consistency has always been an issue but, under Rafa, he's putting in top performances week in and week out.

 

I have to agree, I've always rated Shelvey and I couldn't believe it when we signed him. He definitely needs a very good manager to get the best out of him, but how many other English players of his age can play with such swagger and able to ping the ball about without fear of reprisal.

 

In my opinion, I genuinely think he should be in the England 11 in Centre-mid above all other English players at the moment, with our national team all about pace and no brains at all, we need someone like Shelvey who can pick a pass and exploit the space for likes of Vardy, Walcott etc.

[HawK]

But HTT said he is bang average and can't play with a Hayden so we must all be wrong

 

He is an average PL player and I don't think I've ever said he and Hayden cannot play together, I think you are mistaking me for someone else perhaps. Shelvey was fantastic yesterday, however, which I managed to witness in the flesh. Huge work rate as well. p*ss poor tactics from Birmingham though, they just sat off and didn't press or do anything really. One of the worst teams I've seen at SJP as good as we were.

 

Utter Bollocks! He's much better than your average PL player. Some of the passes he makes most PL players would never even contemplate, he's got the close control to get out of trouble when pressed and his composure when he gets forward is superb, apart from his long distance shooting.

 

His consistency has always been an issue but, under Rafa, he's putting in top performances week in and week out.

 

Well, I disagree. I think he's just an average player in that division. His passing is of a very high standard, but switching play wide with long balls to players not being marked or in space isn't that hard a skill. Through balls, one twos etc. are more difficult and while he's capable, he is no Fabregas or Özil.

 

Anyway its his all-round game that is average. Does he create enough, does he score enough? He's quite a luxury player in many ways. He's bossing this league as he should, but he's quite an easy player to nullify because he has no pace or dribbling skills so press him and man mark him and he can become very one dimensional. I'm absolutely shocked that he is constantly allowed the freedom of the pitch to be honest.

 

His best games for us is when he has acres of space and time. If he can dominate midfield against better sides and players where space and time is of a premium, then fair enough. He hadn't shown he can do that not even on an average basis never mind consistent so I won't hold my breath.

 

I'd be worried if he's our main man next season in midfield if we are a Premier League side. He could work in a midfield three, but we would need someone like Kante in and around him.

 

Not sure I agree there, Pirlo at Juve made a career out of it and was rightly lauded for being probably one of the best playmakers in the world for a long period of time.

[joeyt]

He's not Fabregas or Ozil

[Fugazi]

He's not Fabregas or Ozil

 

He's nee Xavi, sell the cunt.

[astraguy]

Gonna be a huge lose if he gets banned

[Heron]

FWIW I think HTT raises valid points. Just everyone is wanking Shelvey off relentlessly at the moment because he is noticeably on of the best players in this particular division. Understandable I guess. HTT is just looking further ahead.

[HawK]

FWIW I think HTT raises valid points. Just everyone is wanking Shelvey off relentlessly at the moment because he is noticeably on of the best players in this particular division. Understandable I guess. HTT is just looking further ahead.

 

In the PL he dominated some games for us, especially when he first joined. He has the potential to be a lynchpin for almost any team imho, tactics permitting.