Jonjo Shelvey (now playing for Burnley)

[Newcastle Fan]

Ran the show today, reminded me of that year where he destroyed the championship week in week out.

[KaKa]

The guy has been brilliant of late. Controlling the game consistently now.

 

The change in the formation has benefited him massively. Has lots of players ahead of him to pop the ball about to now, without having to resort to the 50 yard balls as often.

 

Defensively he just kind of holds position in midfield now without getting caught out of position which is suffice really, as Hayden beside him and Almiron just infront of him do a ton of work closing down and harrying.

 

The new contract is looking a really good move now. Really enjoying his performances and I haven't always been sure of him.

[sh74]

He’s our best player at the minute.

[midds]

He’s our best player at the minute.

 

He's not though is he? He's doing quite well admittedly but ASM, Fernandez and Dubravka are the cornerstones of it all.

[Pilko]

Part of the Shelvey boom and bust cycle is a few canny games where we pick up points, followed by injury and inconsistency and maybe a red card, and a run of ineffective lazy shite performances.

 

New regime should move him on ASAP.

[Happinesstan]

Part of the Shelvey boom and bust cycle is a few canny games where we pick up points, followed by injury and inconsistency and maybe a red card, and a run of ineffective lazy shite performances.

 

New regime should move him on ASAP.

 

When was the last time he was sent off? Seems a long time ago.

 

 

[Amir_9]

Hes been a great signing for us overall, must be said. I think he has improved his petulance and laziness.

 

For a while it looked like he was finished here at Rafa's final days. Personally would rather see him ahead of Sean Longstaff occupying a position in midfield at any given chance now.

[St1pe]

Hes been a great signing for us overall, must be said. I think he has improved his petulance and laziness.

 

For a while it looked like he was finished here at Rafa's final days. Personally would rather see him ahead of Sean Longstaff occupying a position in midfield at any given chance now.

 

Same. Both him and Fernandez are our most improved players under Bruce and both looked finished here.

 

Aside from ASM he’s been our best player since the restart, arguably this season.

[Guest neesy111]

Shelvey has improved a lot this season, but calling him a great signing is pushing it a bit.  Apart from his debut, he was one of the reasons why we were shit in the season in the season that he joined.

[Lush Vlad]

When he gets time to dictate, I don't think it is that outlandish to suggest he is easily a top half player.  Not many see passes like him or have the ability to be accurate like him.  Against Bournemouth and for the most part yesterday, he got a lot of room to operate.  Whenever he is closed down or in games where we're rarely on the ball (so pretty much 90% of this season).  He's a bit of a passenger and a liability at times. 

 

Seems to be a bit fitter and putting more effort in, mind.  Last two games he's still been up and down the pitch at the end of the 90 minutes.  Him blocking a cross on 89 minutes yesterday was a personal highlight

 

I really like him as a player, TBH.  Just seems like a bit of a twat and he is infuriating in some games. 

[xLiaaamx]

He's not a player for a team that's aiming to go out and play 30% Possession and never will be.

[KaKa]

I think the current setup opens up a lot more room and time for him as ASM and Almiron are afforded more room in forward areas and have to be accounted for. ASM consistently takes multiple defenders out of the game on his runs and Shelvey can get up the pitch and receive the ball with room further up.

 

The change in formation has really suited everyone really well. No idea why it took the manager so long to try it out.

[ChrisMcQuillan]

I think the current setup opens up a lot more room and time for him as ASM and Almiron are afforded more room in forward areas and have to be accounted for. ASM consistently takes multiple defenders out of the game on his runs and Shelvey can get up the pitch and receive the ball with room further up.

 

The change in formation has really suited everyone really well. No idea why it took the manager so long to try it out.

 

He did, we got massacred.

[KaKa]

I think the current setup opens up a lot more room and time for him as ASM and Almiron are afforded more room in forward areas and have to be accounted for. ASM consistently takes multiple defenders out of the game on his runs and Shelvey can get up the pitch and receive the ball with room further up.

 

The change in formation has really suited everyone really well. No idea why it took the manager so long to try it out.

 

He did, we got massacred.

 

Yeah, as a manager you don't just change it for 5 mins and then switch back again.

 

He's supposed to actually commit to it and you know, maybe coach the team? Afterall it's working now isn't it?

 

Ridiculous comment.

[morpeth mag]

I think the current setup opens up a lot more room and time for him as ASM and Almiron are afforded more room in forward areas and have to be accounted for. ASM consistently takes multiple defenders out of the game on his runs and Shelvey can get up the pitch and receive the ball with room further up.

 

The change in formation has really suited everyone really well. No idea why it took the manager so long to try it out.

 

He did, we got massacred.

 

Yeah, as a manager you don't just change it for 5 mins and then switch back again.

 

He's supposed to actually commit to it and you know, maybe coach the team? Afterall it's working now isn't it?

 

Ridiculous comment.

 

And changing the formation away to an inform Leicester might not have been the right moment

[KaKa]

I think the current setup opens up a lot more room and time for him as ASM and Almiron are afforded more room in forward areas and have to be accounted for. ASM consistently takes multiple defenders out of the game on his runs and Shelvey can get up the pitch and receive the ball with room further up.

 

The change in formation has really suited everyone really well. No idea why it took the manager so long to try it out.

 

He did, we got massacred.

 

Yeah, as a manager you don't just change it for 5 mins and then switch back again.

 

He's supposed to actually commit to it and you know, maybe coach the team? Afterall it's working now isn't it?

 

Ridiculous comment.

 

And changing the formation away to an inform Leicester might not have been the right moment

 

Oh, absolutely. I find it frustrating how little is expected of the manager man.

 

For ages he stuck with that previous formation, and even when we played it he didn't even have the sense to have Almiron on the left where he had proven to be so much more productive. He also stopped playing Schar and Lejeune in the back 3, where they are far more important in distributing the ball from the back.

 

The whole thing was so tedious, and then when he was under pressure for how bad things looked he just blamed the fact it was Rafa's tactics and the players couldn't play any other way.

 

I mean, how crazy is that man? As a manager moaning about how you weren't culpable because of the previous manager. For goodness sake man.

[ChrisMcQuillan]

I think the current setup opens up a lot more room and time for him as ASM and Almiron are afforded more room in forward areas and have to be accounted for. ASM consistently takes multiple defenders out of the game on his runs and Shelvey can get up the pitch and receive the ball with room further up.

 

The change in formation has really suited everyone really well. No idea why it took the manager so long to try it out.

 

He did, we got massacred.

 

Yeah, as a manager you don't just change it for 5 mins and then switch back again.

 

He's supposed to actually commit to it and you know, maybe coach the team? Afterall it's working now isn't it?

 

Ridiculous comment.

 

 

Rough Monday morning?

 

I agree - he should commit to it and coach it. Which he seemingly has done now, and it's working.

 

You asked why it took him so long to try it out. He did try it out. And it fell flat on its arse.

 

He tried it before, badly, and it didn't work. He's now tried it properly, and it's worked.

 

Not sure what's "ridiculous" about that.

[KaKa]

I think the current setup opens up a lot more room and time for him as ASM and Almiron are afforded more room in forward areas and have to be accounted for. ASM consistently takes multiple defenders out of the game on his runs and Shelvey can get up the pitch and receive the ball with room further up.

 

The change in formation has really suited everyone really well. No idea why it took the manager so long to try it out.

 

He did, we got massacred.

 

Yeah, as a manager you don't just change it for 5 mins and then switch back again.

 

He's supposed to actually commit to it and you know, maybe coach the team? Afterall it's working now isn't it?

 

Ridiculous comment.

 

 

Rough Monday morning?

 

I agree - he should commit to it and coach it. Which he seemingly has done now, and it's working.

 

You asked why it took him so long to try it out. He did try it out. And it fell flat on its arse.

 

He tried it before, badly, and it didn't work. He's now tried it properly, and it's worked.

 

Not sure what's "ridiculous" about that.

 

I'm fine

 

Changing it one game is not trying it is my point.

 

Whatever he has supposedly done now could and should have been done previously.

 

 

[ChrisMcQuillan]

I think the current setup opens up a lot more room and time for him as ASM and Almiron are afforded more room in forward areas and have to be accounted for. ASM consistently takes multiple defenders out of the game on his runs and Shelvey can get up the pitch and receive the ball with room further up.

 

The change in formation has really suited everyone really well. No idea why it took the manager so long to try it out.

 

He did, we got massacred.

 

Yeah, as a manager you don't just change it for 5 mins and then switch back again.

 

He's supposed to actually commit to it and you know, maybe coach the team? Afterall it's working now isn't it?

 

Ridiculous comment.

 

 

Rough Monday morning?

 

I agree - he should commit to it and coach it. Which he seemingly has done now, and it's working.

 

You asked why it took him so long to try it out. He did try it out. And it fell flat on its arse.

 

He tried it before, badly, and it didn't work. He's now tried it properly, and it's worked.

 

Not sure what's "ridiculous" about that.

 

I'm fine

 

Changing it one game is not trying it is my point.

 

Whatever he has supposedly done now could and should have been done previously.

 

 

 

Absolutely.

 

That's why he's not a very good coach.

 

Glad he's got it working, though.

[Sho Time]

I think the current setup opens up a lot more room and time for him as ASM and Almiron are afforded more room in forward areas and have to be accounted for. ASM consistently takes multiple defenders out of the game on his runs and Shelvey can get up the pitch and receive the ball with room further up.

 

The change in formation has really suited everyone really well. No idea why it took the manager so long to try it out.

 

He did, we got massacred.

 

Yeah, as a manager you don't just change it for 5 mins and then switch back again.

 

He's supposed to actually commit to it and you know, maybe coach the team? Afterall it's working now isn't it?

 

Ridiculous comment.

 

 

Rough Monday morning?

 

I agree - he should commit to it and coach it. Which he seemingly has done now, and it's working.

 

You asked why it took him so long to try it out. He did try it out. And it fell flat on its arse.

 

He tried it before, badly, and it didn't work. He's now tried it properly, and it's worked.

 

Not sure what's "ridiculous" about that.

 

I'm fine

 

Changing it one game is not trying it is my point.

 

Whatever he has supposedly done now could and should have been done previously.

 

He did, and as was pointed out. We got massacred.

 

He then went back to what was left to him and he didn't have to work with i.e. Rafa's system which got us safe and over the line, now he's decided to open up a bit when there is no pressure in the form of relegation threat and also no toxic atmosphere.

 

We're playing well, but let's remember we've won against a Shef Utd team that were knackered and down to 10 men after their second game of the restart in 3(or 4) days, Bournemouth who are fucking dreadful and drawn against West Ham United and Aston Villa.

 

Bruce is hardly some mastermind of attacking football so stop trying to big him up as something he isn't.

[KaKa]

Your response does not follow any logic whatsoever, and completely disregards all the points made earlier on.

 

If you think changing the formation for one game and over reacting to the result is acceptable then good for you.

 

If you think it was fine to persist with the football we played earlier this season and not making any changes whatsoever was acceptable then good for you.

 

 

[Sho Time]

My response follows plenty of logic which seemingly you're incapable of grasping.

 

We played to Rafa/the players system and were doing OK (by our standards), Bruce continuously put down the style of play and said he wanted to attack more - a very typical statement from English managers. Tried it and got utterly fucking destroyed.

 

He (or rather the players) played the way would get us safe for the rest of the season and it worked. Now under a zero pressure environment he has tried more expansive football and it has yielded 2 wins and 2 draws of which 3 teams we got these results against were sitting in the relegation zone. Good, but hardly something to wank over and claim we should have played that way all season.

[KaKa]

Well your logic stinks.

 

As previously mentioned, the so called destruction came against one of the best teams in the league, where we also had Hayden sent off. On the day we were also missing both Shelvey and ASM and Almiron was being played on the right side, his most ineffective position. After this result it was ditched. Without giving it another go with all 11 men and ASM and Shelvey in the team. Brilliant decision according to you. Um ... no!

 

Meanwhile in the holy grail formation that you claim was so good and got us safe, we still got tonked 3 goals to nil by the same Leicester team at home, but this time with all 11 men on the pitch for the whole game. Not to mention the bottom team in the league battered us previously in this same formation, as did Villa who are also in the relegation zone currently. Yet, according to you that was still fine to remain with that setup despite those results.

 

None of your points make any sense.

[joeyt]

[Yorkie]

Some highlights reel tbf.