Minhosa Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Think they're getting away without too much coverage given the serious threat of double relegations. If it was us we'd be headline news on SSN, Talksport ECT, we we're criticised for not being clear top last season. Perhaps they're not as big a club as they ( and some of us ) think. Tend to agree with this. There is barely a mention of their utter shitness in the national press. We'd be headlines all season if we'd tumbled like they have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 they are a shit house club, that's why. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Was feeling all sad about Jim and Stephen, then remembered these are bottom of the league and burst out laughing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Think they're getting away without too much coverage given the serious threat of double relegations. If it was us we'd be headline news on SSN, Talksport ECT, we we're criticised for not being clear top last season. Perhaps they're not as big a club as they ( and some of us ) think. Tend to agree with this. There is barely a mention of their utter shitness in the national press. We'd be headlines all season if we'd tumbled like they have. They're not headline material no matter what is happening to them, they're an irrelevance at national level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Think they're getting away without too much coverage given the serious threat of double relegations. If it was us we'd be headline news on SSN, Talksport ECT, we we're criticised for not being clear top last season. Perhaps they're not as big a club as they ( and some of us ) think. Tend to agree with this. There is barely a mention of their utter shitness in the national press. We'd be headlines all season if we'd tumbled like they have. Because no one gives a shit about them. That's what they hate and also because they know, people take more notice of us. They'll just never admit it. That's why they are so bitter, they'll ALWAYS play second fiddle to us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 few of them calling total sport and having a go at the mackem fans guest for criticising fan numbers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled in Texas Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Their fans deserted their team in droves, and at a time when the club really needed them. But RTG excuses and justifies this behavior based on the notion that the team has been playing poorly for a few years so it acceptable to jack it in until they start playing better. It’s a perfect example of fair-weather bandwagon fans (which they say they despise)... except their standards for getting on/off the bandwagon are much lower. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest covmag Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Think they're getting away without too much coverage given the serious threat of double relegations. If it was us we'd be headline news on SSN, Talksport ECT, we we're criticised for not being clear top last season. Perhaps they're not as big a club as they ( and some of us ) think. Tend to agree with this. There is barely a mention of their utter shitness in the national press. We'd be headlines all season if we'd tumbled like they have. Because no one gives a s*** about them. That's what they hate and also because they know, people take more notice of us. They'll just never admit it. That's why they are so bitter, they'll ALWAYS play second fiddle to us. 6 in a row marra, little Sunderland :lol:l: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I have a question: If they go into administration , and assuming the usual thing happens and a new club is born. What happens to the players contracts? People like Rodwell and Cattermole are the reason they will never get out of the mess they are in. Do the contracts get ripped up and they effectively free themselves of these leaches and adversely open up the way for their better players to be poached for free to other clubs (not that they have many of the type anyone would want) ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I have a question: If they go into administration , and assuming the usual thing happens and a new club is born. What happens to the players contracts? People like Rodwell and Cattermole are the reason they will never get out of the mess they are in. Do the contracts get ripped up and they effectively free themselves of these leaches and adversely open up the way for their better players to be poached for free to other clubs (not that they have many of the type anyone would want) ? On this note would it make sense for them to go into admin this season when they're all but dead but not quite? Get the penalty this season rather than next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Contracts will be ripped up. A new club would be so far down the pyramid they'd likely not be able to support any of their current professional contracts, and that includes U23's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Contracts will be ripped up. A new club would be so far down the pyramid they'd likely not be able to support any of their current professional contracts, and that includes U23's. You're talking insolvency and winding up surely, admin is different no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 M.I.P..... https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/england-team-announced-tomorrow.1422487/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 That "Bear" is so tragically bitter. What a fucking wanker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 M.I.P..... https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/england-team-announced-tomorrow.1422487/ The guy is such a prick, why bother posting thread like that on there, you know what crap you are going to get Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Contracts will be ripped up. A new club would be so far down the pyramid they'd likely not be able to support any of their current professional contracts, and that includes U23's. You're talking insolvency and winding up surely, admin is different no? Aye I think MrM is right insolvency is a little different. Boro for example went into administration and retained there 3rd division league status when the new club was formed, as have other clubs like Southampton and such. In terms of taking the hit this year on the points deduction, they changed the rules apparently to stop teams doing this and if they decalred administration now they still take the points deduction next season (and possibly also this season too). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Oh, if it's a new club that's technically the same club, I believe it's up to the players. It was for rangers at least, they could walk away from their contracts for nothing or keep them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I have a question: If they go into administration , and assuming the usual thing happens and a new club is born. What happens to the players contracts? People like Rodwell and Cattermole are the reason they will never get out of the mess they are in. Do the contracts get ripped up and they effectively free themselves of these leaches and adversely open up the way for their better players to be poached for free to other clubs (not that they have many of the type anyone would want) ? On this note would it make sense for them to go into admin this season when they're all but dead but not quite? Get the penalty this season rather than next. I have no pretense to be a financial expert, but what I have gleaned is... It is currently costing Short £20m per season to keep the club afloat and he wants rid as soon as possible. He is willing to virtually give the club away to anyone willing to take on the club and its other £30m of debt secured against the parachute payments, writing off the remaining debt owed to his company. Administration would allow Short to simply walk away, the administrators would look to find a new owner, who would be liable to pay the secured creditors (including the £30m) and 30% of what is owed to the unsecured creditors (including Short's company). Going into administration before the 22nd deadline would mean that the club doesn't end going into next season with a points deduction, which would almost certainly lessen the chances of finding a buyer. Unless I'm completely wrong in the above (which is a distinct possibility) if relegation is still looking inevitable on the 22nd there may be significant benefits for Short in pulling the plug and putting the club into administration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Remember this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Remember this? Funny enough, that bloke who posted that hilarious pile of crap, is the one talking the most sense on there at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 The bitter shite on there about Lascelles man. "You's think he's the new Bobby Moore" "World class Lascelles" Such a bunch of fucking spastics like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Remember this? :lol: :lol: I'm sure he comes across fairly well from what I've read on there lately too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Every time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robm Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I have a question: If they go into administration , and assuming the usual thing happens and a new club is born. What happens to the players contracts? People like Rodwell and Cattermole are the reason they will never get out of the mess they are in. Do the contracts get ripped up and they effectively free themselves of these leaches and adversely open up the way for their better players to be poached for free to other clubs (not that they have many of the type anyone would want) ? On this note would it make sense for them to go into admin this season when they're all but dead but not quite? Get the penalty this season rather than next. I have no pretense to be a financial expert, but what I have gleaned is... It is currently costing Short £20m per season to keep the club afloat and he wants rid as soon as possible. He is willing to virtually give the club away to anyone willing to take on the club and its other £30m of debt secured against the parachute payments, writing off the remaining debt owed to his company. Administration would allow Short to simply walk away, the administrators would look to find a new owner, who would be liable to pay the secured creditors (including the £30m) and 30% of what is owed to the unsecured creditors (including Short's company). Going into administration before the 22nd deadline would mean that the club doesn't end going into next season with a points deduction, which would almost certainly lessen the chances of finding a buyer. Unless I'm completely wrong in the above (which is a distinct possibility) if relegation is still looking inevitable on the 22nd there may be significant benefits for Short in pulling the plug and putting the club into administration. The external debt is £68million secured against the parachute payments isn't it? The rest of the debt is owed to Short so he would be writing his own money off which doesn't make sense to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianovthetoon Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Is the debt going to be paid off by the parachute payments though? Their wage bill is rumoured to be circa 40m at present, they’ll be getting next to nothing from sponsorship and gate receipts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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