Darth Crooks Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I haven't seen obvious change in transfer policy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemagpie Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Me neither,but I don't think it's entirely out of the question. Ashley knows relegation would bring a huge s*** storm his way. His only trump card to keep the fans happy is Rafa. They've proved time and time again that they'll be more than willing to watch any old s**** in absolute silence whilst paying through the nose for the privilege. I'd also think the Wongaloids would gulp down the preferred media partner propaganda about how Rafa's inexperience in relegation battles is what took us down and his inexperience in the championship would stop us coming back up. Or, Ashley wouldn't give a s*** about the fans, as per. Why do people say stuff like this? Yet to come across a single person who isn't fully supportive of Benitez or unaware that he's been brought in far too late. Because they'll change their minds if he leaves. For a lot of our fans, whatever the club does is absolutely the right decision, no matter what. Why do I have to explain this? Because you're talking shit? Non of the fans i know that go to games believes this, quite the opposite in fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I haven't seen obvious change in transfer policy. True, weve been spending 80M every season since Ashley took over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Me neither,but I don't think it's entirely out of the question. Ashley knows relegation would bring a huge s*** storm his way. His only trump card to keep the fans happy is Rafa. They've proved time and time again that they'll be more than willing to watch any old s**** in absolute silence whilst paying through the nose for the privilege. I'd also think the Wongaloids would gulp down the preferred media partner propaganda about how Rafa's inexperience in relegation battles is what took us down and his inexperience in the championship would stop us coming back up. Or, Ashley wouldn't give a s*** about the fans, as per. Why do people say stuff like this? Yet to come across a single person who isn't fully supportive of Benitez or unaware that he's been brought in far too late. Because they'll change their minds if he leaves. For a lot of our fans, whatever the club does is absolutely the right decision, no matter what. Why do I have to explain this? Because you're talking shit? Non of the fans i know that go to games believes this, quite the opposite in fact. What's your point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I haven't seen obvious change in transfer policy. True, weve been spending 80M every season since Ashley took over. On English players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Me neither,but I don't think it's entirely out of the question. Ashley knows relegation would bring a huge s*** storm his way. His only trump card to keep the fans happy is Rafa. They've proved time and time again that they'll be more than willing to watch any old s**** in absolute silence whilst paying through the nose for the privilege. I'd also think the Wongaloids would gulp down the preferred media partner propaganda about how Rafa's inexperience in relegation battles is what took us down and his inexperience in the championship would stop us coming back up. Or, Ashley wouldn't give a s*** about the fans, as per. Why do people say stuff like this? Yet to come across a single person who isn't fully supportive of Benitez or unaware that he's been brought in far too late. Because they'll change their minds if he leaves. For a lot of our fans, whatever the club does is absolutely the right decision, no matter what. Why do I have to explain this? Because you're talking shit? Non of the fans i know that go to games believes this, quite the opposite in fact. 'Why do I have to explain my baseless claims?' Not even sure who 'they' are. This place has fabricated the 'wongaloids' and now this group is somehow representative of anyone who attends a match. Very weird. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I haven't seen obvious change in transfer policy. True, weve been spending 80M every season since Ashley took over. On English players I don't see the 80m panic spend as a policy change per se. The funds available and transfer policy aren't the same thing. We're still going for the same deals that don't address the imbalance the team. Fed up of hearing about this 80m. It'll be chump change in a few years within the prem and the club makes significant profits each year. The English players thing; I was impressed by the Shelvey signing and Townsend has a goal in him, don't really care about English players though and that seems to be the reason they were signed over needs elsewhere. I get the policy change argument; but McClaren still had little say and acquisitions were still based on Carrs little list of favours and ultimately have been our downfall this season. It's hardly been a case of but things have been so different? How did it go so wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemagpie Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Me neither,but I don't think it's entirely out of the question. Ashley knows relegation would bring a huge s*** storm his way. His only trump card to keep the fans happy is Rafa. They've proved time and time again that they'll be more than willing to watch any old s**** in absolute silence whilst paying through the nose for the privilege. I'd also think the Wongaloids would gulp down the preferred media partner propaganda about how Rafa's inexperience in relegation battles is what took us down and his inexperience in the championship would stop us coming back up. Or, Ashley wouldn't give a s*** about the fans, as per. Why do people say stuff like this? Yet to come across a single person who isn't fully supportive of Benitez or unaware that he's been brought in far too late. Because they'll change their minds if he leaves. For a lot of our fans, whatever the club does is absolutely the right decision, no matter what. Why do I have to explain this? Because you're talking s***? Non of the fans i know that go to games believes this, quite the opposite in fact. What's your point? The bit in bold is crap and you know it. No idea why people on here pretend to believe this stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Me neither,but I don't think it's entirely out of the question. Ashley knows relegation would bring a huge s*** storm his way. His only trump card to keep the fans happy is Rafa. They've proved time and time again that they'll be more than willing to watch any old s**** in absolute silence whilst paying through the nose for the privilege. I'd also think the Wongaloids would gulp down the preferred media partner propaganda about how Rafa's inexperience in relegation battles is what took us down and his inexperience in the championship would stop us coming back up. Or, Ashley wouldn't give a s*** about the fans, as per. Why do people say stuff like this? Yet to come across a single person who isn't fully supportive of Benitez or unaware that he's been brought in far too late. Because they'll change their minds if he leaves. For a lot of our fans, whatever the club does is absolutely the right decision, no matter what. Why do I have to explain this? Because you're talking s***? Non of the fans i know that go to games believes this, quite the opposite in fact. What's your point? The bit in bold is crap and you know it. No idea why people on here pretend to believe this stuff. It fits into the 'our fans are thick scum in comparison to us intelligent Internet types' rhetoric. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I'm surprised that the people dismissing the idea of him staying are the same that denied he would come in the first place, didn't you learn last time? You're too quick to write off anything positive without thinking about it rationally. The reasons Rafa would stay are the same as the reasons he would come in the first place. Yeah, he's going to need more power and concessions will have to be made that go against Ashley's history here, but that's been happening all season. Just a few months ago plenty of people were saying he'd never sack McClaren even though the club's transfer policy has obviously changed. It's a bit more of a stretch this time, granted, but it's certainly realistic. Fair comment. On the other hand, the concept of Rafa Benitez being employed by this NUFC is already fairly ridiculous; the concept of that being in the second tier and the club ripping up every awful principle they've stuck by for years (particularly paying him big wages and giving him full control) is just more ridiculous. It's not about negativity, just realism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 It's just so much of a risk to him. His reputation like it or not will have already taken a hit once we go down, then for him to manage in the championship would take it down even further (not in my eyes, but around the world it will), then what if we don't get back up? Why risk it? Add into the mix a volatile and difficult owner who is proven to be a liar and crook... Come on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 The point is there, though poorly worded. There are significant numbers who no matter what the club do, trot the 'what is a club' line and cite a more than a club rhetoric that has just been destroyed by the very people within it. I don't think it equates to a generation of sheeple but some things you hear....dear me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 It's just so much of a risk to him. His reputation like it or not will have already taken a hit once we go down, then for him to manage in the championship would take it down even further (not in my eyes, but around the world it will), then what if we don't get back up? Why risk it? Add into the mix a volatile and difficult owner who is proven to be a liar and crook... Come on. He'll know by the end of summer whether he has the backing of the owner, and if it gets to August and he hasn't been backed - then he will leave, and he'll have options. If not, the Championship ought to be an easy win for him and he'll continue earning the presumably lucrative wages which drew him here in the first place. The problem is that the squad needs root and branch upheaval, and Ashley may not pay for that/believe it is required - whereas Rafa will know better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 It all depends on how much he wants to be in the game and whether he has other options. If Spain, Valencia or someone of that ilk comes in for him, then it's highly unlikely he will stay. However, I can quite feasibly see him hanging around to rebuild us if he is only getting offers from smaller clubs, regardless of what league they are in. I think it's a fair bet that he wants to stay in England, unless a massive club turns up. It's also a fair bet that he wants to stay in the game, rather than twiddling his thumbs at home. There's no suprise he is keeping his cards close to his chest, what has he to gain by committing either way? I'd say current chances are 50/50. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I suppose it's positive that these rumours are even doing the rounds, rather than about him being unimpressed with the club as a whole and its potential. I'm dubious about how long that feeling can last though, knowing what we do about these pricks. Rate him or not, they still messed McClaren around and made his job more difficult. It's just what they do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Aye, that's the other worry. There's no guarantee they won't go for the cheap option or put him off the club somehow. Reckon it will be Charnley's decision not Ashleys, whatever that means. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Me neither,but I don't think it's entirely out of the question. Ashley knows relegation would bring a huge s*** storm his way. His only trump card to keep the fans happy is Rafa. They've proved time and time again that they'll be more than willing to watch any old s**** in absolute silence whilst paying through the nose for the privilege. I'd also think the Wongaloids would gulp down the preferred media partner propaganda about how Rafa's inexperience in relegation battles is what took us down and his inexperience in the championship would stop us coming back up. Or, Ashley wouldn't give a s*** about the fans, as per. Why do people say stuff like this? Yet to come across a single person who isn't fully supportive of Benitez or unaware that he's been brought in far too late. Because they'll change their minds if he leaves. For a lot of our fans, whatever the club does is absolutely the right decision, no matter what. Why do I have to explain this? Because you're talking shit? Non of the fans i know that go to games believes this, quite the opposite in fact. 'Why do I have to explain my baseless claims?' Not even sure who 'they' are. This place has fabricated the 'wongaloids' and now this group is somehow representative of anyone who attends a match. Very weird. I was asking why I had to explain the concept that plenty of fans will back the club whatever they do. I've spoken to plenty and read their views, that's no more baseless than you or Mick saying otherwise. I have mentioned match goers, like. You do realise that fans saying 'I don't back the club whatever they do' and actually doing it in hindsight aren't mutually exclusive, don't you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Me neither,but I don't think it's entirely out of the question. Ashley knows relegation would bring a huge s*** storm his way. His only trump card to keep the fans happy is Rafa. They've proved time and time again that they'll be more than willing to watch any old s**** in absolute silence whilst paying through the nose for the privilege. I'd also think the Wongaloids would gulp down the preferred media partner propaganda about how Rafa's inexperience in relegation battles is what took us down and his inexperience in the championship would stop us coming back up. Or, Ashley wouldn't give a s*** about the fans, as per. Why do people say stuff like this? Yet to come across a single person who isn't fully supportive of Benitez or unaware that he's been brought in far too late. Because they'll change their minds if he leaves. For a lot of our fans, whatever the club does is absolutely the right decision, no matter what. Why do I have to explain this? Because you're talking s***? Non of the fans i know that go to games believes this, quite the opposite in fact. What's your point? The bit in bold is crap and you know it. No idea why people on here pretend to believe this stuff. I obviously don't agree Mick, or I wouldn't have said it. You're a long way from convincing me otherwise. All you've said is that you haven't spoken to any of them, it proves nothing. Again, I didn't mention match going fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 A lot will accept it and point to Ashley 'changing' like, referencing how he's (not really) pumping money into the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 You only have to look at the way NUFC do PR to know that Ashley's grubby mitts are still all over the day to day running of the football club. He's not there every day but his influence clearly is. Charnley obviously has a clear brief to run the club in line with MA's requirements. I should imagine they're fairly whimsical too given he's a power mad, control freak. You'd have to rip up the whole ethos and he'd have to stay the fuck out of it for it to be a success under Rafa, in any league. I don't think there's a cat in hells chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 You only have to look at the way NUFC do PR to know that Ashley's grubby mitts are still all over the day to day running of the football club. He's not there every day but his influence clearly is. Charnley obviously has a clear brief to run the club in line with MA's requirements. I should imagine they're fairl;y whimsical too given he's a power mad, control freak. You'd have to rip up the whole ethos and he'd have to stay the fuck out of it for it to be a success under Rafa, in any league. I don't think there's a cat in hells chance. This is my (ever cynical) thinking. I have every confidence Rafa is an honest man but he's subject to the whims of liars and madmen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 You only have to look at the way NUFC do PR to know that Ashley's grubby mitts are still all over the day to day running of the football club. He's not there every day but his influence clearly is. Charnley obviously has a clear brief to run the club in line with MA's requirements. I should imagine they're fairl;y whimsical too given he's a power mad, control freak. You'd have to rip up the whole ethos and he'd have to stay the fuck out of it for it to be a success under Rafa, in any league. I don't think there's a cat in hells chance. This is my (ever cynical) thinking. I have every confidence Rafa is an honest man but he's subject to the whims of liars and madmen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 If Mike Ashley does not recognise that nothing at the club is working other than the exposure for his shop (which will now be much reduced) then he never will. Having Rafa here gives the club a huge opportunity to stop the rot and turn themselves into a proper football club again and they would be stupid to ignore it. I don't think any of the other suggested managerial options have the same potential to rebuild a club from top to bottom. Obviously his wages would be a problem with the Fair Play restrictions in the Championship but I would rather we sold a player purely to fund those wages than lose Rafa. I just hope that if Rafa leaves that it is his decision rather than the club's. it would be heartbreaking if he wanted to stay and the club decided not to keep him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I hope they don't listen to the cheaper and moronic championship experience argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Why on Earth did the club want the option to terminate his contract at the end of the 8 match period? ££££££££'s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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