Guest ElCid Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Dave said it yesterday, Rafa is just 11 competitive games into his Newcastle management. He's trying to change a club that has been defeatist and run in such a pathetically bad way for years now, and that simply won't happen overnight, within the club and on the playing side. The whole mentality of the entire football club is changing, it'll take time. That being said the performance of the manager in his selection and players in the game were not good enough, he'll know that and will put it right. I also expect to see more movement in the transfer market as it was evident despite our buys we are still lacking in a few areas. I still say half a dozen games to settle down and really get going is the mark i'm going by. I do understand and accept the point but only having had eleven games doesn't really excuse playing Anita on the wing and Colback anywhere. We were far too defensive but, like you, I have faith that he'll see the problems and put them right. If he starts the same team against Huddersfield then maybe we have a problem. It why i said that bit, Rafa shouldn't get away with mistakes the same as players don't . I do have a slight worry about Rafa, he really is a rigid 4-2-3-1 man, with two holding midfielders which i hate seeing. It's not a promotion worry or good football thing, just something that i think he can deviate from especially in this league. He's married to the system as it gives you good cover defensively and he really is a not concede goal first manager. But not in the same way as a Pardew or Allardyce, once Rafa gets the pieces in the right place it's good to watch and brings goals, it's just i don't think we need two holding midfielders in the Championship. If he continues with that we won't go up in my opinion - it's the Championship and doesn't matter what people might say about it being a hard league, it's NOT it really is a poor quality league and poor teams like Burnley and Hull showed that last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shintonsghost Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Exactly, dissapointing result but we've a manager now who will analyze what went wrong and adjust. If you give up on someone like Benitez this quickly no one has any hope of retaining your patience. Its a new team as has been stated, people are getting way to carried away with the "we'll not lose a game" nonsense. You'd expect us to do well, but dont go writing off an entire league because you enjoy feeling like the top dog. They all have a point to prove & there is more to a game than pure ability as we've all seen being Newcastle fans. Benitez said last season, he has to see who will step up and perform, handle the pressure & we'll just have to do that process again. Look im with him, i said before a ball was kicked that id be happy with top 6 come the end, it was such a shock to see us outbattled by a shite Fulham side, a sight i saw all too often last season, worrying yes but he needs to sort it quickly, a win will stop my fretting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morla84 Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Climbing the table each day that goes by, crisis averted. Come on toons ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 We saw during the end of last season that he wasn't afraid to make changes fairly quickly if things weren't working. It was even evident on Friday night; though it didn't change the result he switched around the team at half time and we created far more (albeit still not nearly enough). Anita performed well in preseason by all accounts and Colback will be replaced by Diame. Not concerned at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Outbattled? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Rafa got it wrong tactically and I'm sure he's well aware of that. I also bet he feels let down by some of those that he picked and we'll see a change in things over the next couple of weeks. This is spot on. He might pick players like Colback initially, but they'll be out of the team pretty quickly if they don't bring anything to the team. Look at Taylor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavMcEl Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Any one one who doesn't have faith in Rafa should go and sort their livess out imo he's just brought 8 players in this summer, it's gonna take a few games for the team to gel and for Rafa to find his best XI just like it did when he took over in March, and he went a few games with out a win but once it clicked it fucking clicked , I have absolutely every faith that well go up and well go up in style !!!! .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shintonsghost Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Outbattled? 1-0 and watch the first half, they were right into us, second half the battled hard giving us half chances at best. You saying we outbattled them like?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 if the ref had been competent im fairly sure we would have won that game by 2 clear goals like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 We'd have had to score for that to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 That's right, we would Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 well aye- score a penalty, be under less pressure when chances come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Benitez's mantra has always been compact. I doubt that'll change, as much as I think it probably should in this league. Agree with this. I can see why he went for a cautious set up. Tight pitch, awful away record, first game of the season etc. But despite all of the whining about the ref. We created about two decent chances all game and we only started pouring it on when it was too late. I have complete faith in Rafa's long term plan for the club. But I didn't agree with the team selection before the match, I didn't like how negative we were and I think he got it wrong. I'm sure he is well aware of the issues, what he'll be changing and who he'll be dropping for Huddersfield. I expect to see a much improved showing on Saturday and I think we'll all see one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 He got it wrong on friday. The good part is that he wont give a shit about replacing players who don't perform to his expectations, he isn't one of the managers that tries to be friends with everyone, i mean he's friendly, but still The Boss. He's here to do his job. Unlike some managers who play the same shit over and over again expecting a different outcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Benitez's mantra has always been compact. I doubt that'll change, as much as I think it probably should in this league. Agree with this. I can see why he went for a cautious set up. Tight pitch, awful away record, first game of the season etc. But despite all of the whining about the ref. We created about two decent chances all game and we only started pouring it on when it was too late. I have complete faith in Rafa's long term plan for the club. But I didn't agree with the team selection before the match, I didn't like how negative we were and I think he got it wrong. I'm sure he is well aware of the issues, what he'll be changing and who he'll be dropping for Huddersfield. I expect to see a much improved showing on Saturday and I think we'll all see one. I just couldn't understand why play so negative against a Fulham team who nearly got relegated and have lost their 2 best players. Hopefully on Saturday that team will be rectified. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 I can't believe that some people on here think that Rafa turned up an hour before the game and picked the team and tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 I can't believe that some people on here think that Rafa turned up an hour before the game and picked the team and tactics. I don't which actully makes it worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 He will have learnt a lot more about the likes of Dimmett and Colback from a 1-0 defeat than a 1-0 win Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 He will have learnt a lot more about the likes of Dimmett and Colback from a 1-0 defeat than a 1-0 win How ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 He will have learnt a lot more about the likes of Dimmett and Colback from a 1-0 defeat than a 1-0 win True (and Anita) - hopefully anyway but I think your right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 He will have learnt a lot more about the likes of Dimmett and Colback from a 1-0 defeat than a 1-0 win How ? Never to play the Colback again and that Anita and Dummett are just as bad - hope so anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 He will have learnt a lot more about the likes of Dimmett and Colback from a 1-0 defeat than a 1-0 win How ? Never to play the Colback again and that Anita and Dummett are just as bad - hope so anyway Why would it take a defeat to se that. Just their performances should be enough, regardless of the result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 I do wonder about what Rafa's options were. Aarons came on and looked ineffective. Shelvey came on and was blowing out of his arse after 5 minutes. I don't like Colback but i would have expected him to do better, i'm sure Rafa did too. I also thought Anita would have played better but he didn't, ditto Perez. I still think we looked a better team than them for 2/3rds of the game. Then it got a bit desperate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 He will have learnt a lot more about the likes of Dimmett and Colback from a 1-0 defeat than a 1-0 win How ? Never to play the Colback again and that Anita and Dummett are just as bad - hope so anyway Why would it take a defeat to se that. Just their performances should be enough, regardless of the result. I agree with you it's the performance not the result but the result means it's probably higlighted more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 I do wonder about what Rafa's options were. Aarons came on and looked ineffective. Shelvey came on and was blowing out of his arse after 5 minutes. I don't like Colback but i would have expected him to do better, i'm sure Rafa did too. I also thought Anita would have played better but he didn't, ditto Perez. I still think we looked a better team than them for 2/3rds of the game. Then it got a bit desperate. Shelvey looked to play forward passesand players will make more moves knowing someone is going to look for them. Mbemba for bringing the ball out would have been a game changer and we'd be starting 20yds further up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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