loki679 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I do think quite a few have greatly underestimated the strength of this league (some going so far as to put money on us going undefeated, which is totally asinine), based largely on our experience from 2009/10. It's not remotely the same league it was even six years ago: the PL doesn't exist in a vacuum, its good fortunes do somewhat trickle down. These are teams that are gonna play us tough and push us around. We may yet go on a roll and I think we've got both the quality in the squad and the right man to lead it. But these early results don't really surprise me all that much. It's not a good league Burnley and Hull proved that last year and we proved that in 2009. The problem is the first 2 games we have played negatively against two teams who were nearly relegated last year on top of the team slection which has been bewildering. It's only 2 games but the the mistakes made in those two teams in selction and tactics has been poor. Rafa will hopefully see put this right on Wednesday and a new winger and striker are made this week also. How Anita and Dummett keep getting a game is bewildering. Do I think it will come together possibly which is a big change from a cople of weeks ago when I would have said probably. Dummett I can kind of see as we don't have another non-ginger left back but the Anita one is baffling. He's not a right winger in a million years. If we're really stuck there he could play Janmaat on the wing and Jesus at right back. At least we'd keep our width and get some decent crosses in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shintonsghost Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I do think quite a few have greatly underestimated the strength of this league (some going so far as to put money on us going undefeated, which is totally asinine), based largely on our experience from 2009/10. It's not remotely the same league it was even six years ago: the PL doesn't exist in a vacuum, its good fortunes do somewhat trickle down. These are teams that are gonna play us tough and push us around. We may yet go on a roll and I think we've got both the quality in the squad and the right man to lead it. But these early results don't really surprise me all that much. totally disagree, the quality is dire, its in our heads, the losing, the fear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy2Sheds Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 We're missing Mitrovic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I do think quite a few have greatly underestimated the strength of this league (some going so far as to put money on us going undefeated, which is totally asinine), based largely on our experience from 2009/10. It's not remotely the same league it was even six years ago: the PL doesn't exist in a vacuum, its good fortunes do somewhat trickle down. These are teams that are gonna play us tough and push us around. We may yet go on a roll and I think we've got both the quality in the squad and the right man to lead it. But these early results don't really surprise me all that much. totally disagree, the quality is dire, its in our heads, the losing, the fear based on what i saw yesterday this is mostly correct, huddersfield were absolute shite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Rafa has got problems all over the park from what I've seen so far. Where is the leadership we had at the end of the season from Lascelles? We carried no goal threat, no speed of attack and no creativity. At the back we allowed the opposition too much space. There's no need for panic but people are refusing to see what their eyes are showing them. It's only two games but I can fairly confidently say that Sels is bang average, Dummett isn't good enough, Lascelles has struggled, Anita, Colback and Hayden aren't going to anywhere near good enough, Shelvey can't just operate in front of the back four and look for Hollywood balls, Aaron's isn't ready, Perez is off the pace and Gayle will not work up top by himself. It can be put right, Rafa knows how teams will set up against us but by Christ we do not look like a team who has the desire or ability to break down organised, determined opposition. Put Nolan and Carroll in that side (as they were) and we'd have won yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankles Bennett Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Rafa is playing the long game. He allows two of the worst teams to beat us so the better teams get lulled into false sense of security and will allow us the space to take advantage and win. It's no good beating the teams at the bottom. You have to beat your promotion rivals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Rafa is playing the long game. He allows two of the worst teams to beat us so the better teams get lulled into false sense of security and will allow us the space to take advantage and win. It's no good beating the teams at the bottom. You have to beat your promotion rivals. We've lost to 2 of the top 3 so far..........mind you if we'd beaten them we'd have been playing against relegation candidates....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro111 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I thought that with the appointment of Rafa that we would have seen the end of going into the new season with players we knew were not good enough years ago and without addressing our areas of weakness but it seems not and it boggles my mind. Hell even on Champ Man I used to get rid of the shite and improve my weak positions just as soon as that new transfer kitty came through; why is it that this seems to be beyond a Newcastle manager? That said I still believe that we have enough quality and man for man we are better than most teams and once we get a LB a LW (hopefully) and Mitro back, with a balanced team our better players should provide the quality to see us through. Our players need to man up though and take some fucking responsibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I thought that with the appointment of Rafa that we would have seen the end of going into the new season with players we knew were not good enough years ago and without addressing our areas of weakness but it seems not and it boggles my mind. Hell even on Champ Man I used to get rid of the shite and improve my weak positions just as soon as that new transfer kitty came through; why is it that this seems to be beyond a Newcastle manager? That said I still believe that we have enough quality and man for man we are better than most teams and once we get a LB a LW (hopefully) and Mitro back, with a balanced team our better players should provide the quality to see us through. Our players need to man up though and take some fucking responsibility. LB, LW & ST are obviously priorities but unless we address our alarming weakness in CM we'll not get out of this division, you can't lose the battle in there every game, we've got to be first to every second ball matching them on effort because that's what a lot of teams in the division will rely on against us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 We'll be fine Rafa will turn it around, two games is noting. He's shown he's got he ability to work out change things when they aren't working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Two games ffs. Yes there's problems but after a win I think a lot of the problems would disappear to many eyes. Load of new players taking time to gel, young players/new players freaking in front of an expectant sellout crowd, Rafa getting to know a different league to ones he's used to. It's a tricky league, always has been. We did exceptionally well last time we won it in such style, it's not a piece of piss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Yeah, there are some genuine morons in here like. All new posters as well. Imagine seeing Rafa losing two matches as your opinion's time to shine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I wonder how happy he is with the transfer window so far. We've got the easy deals done early for squad players, but the key signings we needed still aren't there. We've seen a bid knocked back for Knockaert and it seems we haven't pushed the boat out to get him, and we've seen McCormack (who may have been our target) go to a rival while we struggle to find alternative options. We've also seen zero net spend on players. Something tells me this isn't what Rafa signed up for, and I could see him walking if we go into September without the players we need. He isn't blameless for the poor team selections, though. He's showing teams too much respect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I do think quite a few have greatly underestimated the strength of this league (some going so far as to put money on us going undefeated, which is totally asinine), based largely on our experience from 2009/10. It's not remotely the same league it was even six years ago: the PL doesn't exist in a vacuum, its good fortunes do somewhat trickle down. These are teams that are gonna play us tough and push us around. We may yet go on a roll and I think we've got both the quality in the squad and the right man to lead it. But these early results don't really surprise me all that much. It's hard to gauge the quality of this division at this point. A lot of teams seem to have foreign managers compared to last time we were here, and they are getting some of the best young prospects on loan from premier sides to give them a touch of class. Other than that, most of them are just hard working and physically superior to the sides we have put out. I think we'll adjust, but some players reputations are going to end up in the bin on the way. Colback, Dummett, Perez, Anita and Shelvey have looked shell shocked so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I do think quite a few have greatly underestimated the strength of this league (some going so far as to put money on us going undefeated, which is totally asinine), based largely on our experience from 2009/10. It's not remotely the same league it was even six years ago: the PL doesn't exist in a vacuum, its good fortunes do somewhat trickle down. These are teams that are gonna play us tough and push us around. We may yet go on a roll and I think we've got both the quality in the squad and the right man to lead it. But these early results don't really surprise me all that much. It's hard to gauge the quality of this division at this point. A lot of teams seem to have foreign managers compared to last time we were here, and they are getting some of the best young prospects on loan from premier sides to give them a touch of class. Other than that, most of them are just hard working and physically superior to the sides we have put out. I think we'll adjust, but some players reputations are going to end up in the bin on the way. Colback, Dummett, Perez, Anita and Shelvey have looked shell shocked so far. Or possibly they are not really very good - Perez and Shelvey you could argue have some talent but one is too weak and the other is just too lazy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Yeah, there are some genuine morons in here like. All new posters as well. Imagine seeing Rafa losing two matches as your opinion's time to shine. That Shinton user is one of the worst for a while Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I wonder how happy he is with the transfer window so far. We've got the easy deals done early for squad players, but the key signings we needed still aren't there. We've seen a bid knocked back for Knockaert and it seems we haven't pushed the boat out to get him, and we've seen McCormack (who may have been our target) go to a rival while we struggle to find alternative options. We've also seen zero net spend on players. Something tells me this isn't what Rafa signed up for, and I could see him walking if we go into September without the players we need. He isn't blameless for the poor team selections, though. He's showing teams too much respect. This is pretty much how I feel. He's definitely been far too negative though. No Newcastle team should ever lose at home to Huddersfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Something that stood out to me yesterday as well was for all the talk of Rafa's methods like having players run drills and systems until they are blue in the face no fucker seemed to have a clue about what they should be doing yesterday. It seemed deliberate to me that Anita and Diame were trying to get in the space between their attack and defence but the rest of the team didn't seem to be looking for them. I'd have also thought Gayle would have been working the channels more, playing on the shoulder of the last defender to get in behind, but I can't remember that happening either. Was all pretty aimless really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FustinoSolano Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Awful team selection yesterday, Anita on either wing is just never going to work. Diame seemed completely lost and offered no support to Gayle, the whole team was lopsided and negative, to go this way against Huddersfield at home is slightly worrying but I still think Rafa will sort it out. Desperately need a new left back who can go forward, a right winger, creative midfielder and a striker! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 If the refs in this league are as lenient as that bloke yesterday then Mitro will make a big difference when he comes back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I do think quite a few have greatly underestimated the strength of this league (some going so far as to put money on us going undefeated, which is totally asinine), based largely on our experience from 2009/10. It's not remotely the same league it was even six years ago: the PL doesn't exist in a vacuum, its good fortunes do somewhat trickle down. These are teams that are gonna play us tough and push us around. We may yet go on a roll and I think we've got both the quality in the squad and the right man to lead it. But these early results don't really surprise me all that much. It's not a good league Burnley and Hull proved that last year and we proved that in 2009. The problem is the first 2 games we have played negatively against two teams who were nearly relegated last year on top of the team slection which has been bewildering. It's only 2 games but the the mistakes made in those two teams in selction and tactics has been poor. Rafa will hopefully see put this right on Wednesday and a new winger and striker are made this week also. How Anita and Dummett keep getting a game is bewildering. Do I think it will come together possibly which is a big change from a cople of weeks ago when I would have said probably. Very arrogant view imo. For me - Burnley are a Championship - they know the league well and the core of it have been promoted twice from comfortably. Hull got in via play-offs. Not many of our lads seem ready for the division. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 If the refs in this league are as lenient as that bloke yesterday then Mitro will make a big difference when he comes back He wasn't lenient, just fucking shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I don't think you can blame people for venting frustration after yesterday. To lose in the manner that we did is incredibly disappointing, and perhaps it is a reality check to how this season will be....but we are coming off the back of what was a torrid, embarrassing season. People just want to see the club winning again, and the fact is that these players should be beating the likes of Huddersfield at home. I love Rafa, but the way he normally sets teams up is more conservative than attack-minded. If we score first in games this season I think we'll be fine, but if we concede first results like Fulham and Huddersfield will become more frequent. The season is still young, and we will pick up at some stage, but we won't run away with it like we did under CH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I really hate this 'he knows this league' shit, what is there to know about it? It's a football league with football teams in it, exactly like the Premier League although the standard is lower. You don't need to have 60 years experience playing or managing in the Chmapionship to do well in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I do think quite a few have greatly underestimated the strength of this league (some going so far as to put money on us going undefeated, which is totally asinine), based largely on our experience from 2009/10. It's not remotely the same league it was even six years ago: the PL doesn't exist in a vacuum, its good fortunes do somewhat trickle down. These are teams that are gonna play us tough and push us around. We may yet go on a roll and I think we've got both the quality in the squad and the right man to lead it. But these early results don't really surprise me all that much. It's hard to gauge the quality of this division at this point. A lot of teams seem to have foreign managers compared to last time we were here, and they are getting some of the best young prospects on loan from premier sides to give them a touch of class. Other than that, most of them are just hard working and physically superior to the sides we have put out. I think we'll adjust, but some players reputations are going to end up in the bin on the way. Colback, Dummett, Perez, Anita and Shelvey have looked shell shocked so far. Last time I felt as if we had a bigger and more physical side. Carroll, Shola, Nolan, Smith, Saylor, Williamson, Enrique was a powerful FB. Then we had a bit of class for the division Routledge, Jonas, Colo, Lovenkrands. We need to compete more physically... a lot of that is down to Mitro missing and having 3 useless stooges in midfield (Anita, Colback & Shelvey). Tiote played a fair bit towards the end of last season and I think we are missing his authority and experience in the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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