duo Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 We lost today because: a.) Colback b.) Shelvey We need to buy a creative midfielder as back up for Shelvey as Collback should never wear the Black and White shirt again. He's cost us a good few points just by being on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 We cant spend 3-4 seasons blaming managers for how awful we are and not criticise Benitez for the utter shite hes served up lately. The man is stubborn and has the team playing in one way and one way only, he needs to adapt and be flexible with the expensive squad HE put together. Make subs to influence the game BEFORE we concede would be a great start. Outfoxed by Owen Coyle twice in the space of a few months.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pons Alias Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Lack of experience in the Championship? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 We cant spend 3-4 seasons blaming managers for how awful we are and not criticise Benitez for the utter shite hes served up lately. The man is stubborn and has the team playing in one way and one way only, he needs to adapt and be flexible with the expensive squad HE put together. Make subs to influence the game BEFORE we concede would be a great start. The stubbornness with 4231 is getting on my nerves, this for me explains the subs situation as well. His changes are always like for like, until the striker comes on if we are losing. I just think you have to adapt at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Lack of experience in the Championship? I don't think he was expecting the way teams would defend against us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 The most frustrating thing about Rafa was that I don't even think he had to do much different today Just make the subs earlier and I feel we would have won Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 We cant spend 3-4 seasons blaming managers for how awful we are and not criticise Benitez for the utter s**** hes served up lately. The man is stubborn and has the team playing in one way and one way only, he needs to adapt and be flexible with the expensive squad HE put together. Make subs to influence the game BEFORE we concede would be a great start. So we have to criticise Rafa to be fair to Pardew and McClaren? As if a temporary blip in an otherwise impressive campaign is on a par with the masses of shite that we've had to put with in recent times? If anything, the sorry state of Rafa's predecessors should offer some perspective on the extent of the rebuild job he's currently overseeing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 I think a big part of the issue is that we're not only dropping points; we're losing to the league's worst teams and playing very poorly in doing so. When we go 1-0 down it's game over and everyone knows it. If we go up and carry that same trend into next season we'll be lucky to get 35 points. It's something to needs to be addressed with a revision of the team's setup when we have the ball and imminent investment in at least two attacking players - not squad players, players who push shite like Alsoran and Colback out of the team. Have we come from behind to win yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Norwich. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 We cant spend 3-4 seasons blaming managers for how awful we are and not criticise Benitez for the utter s**** hes served up lately. The man is stubborn and has the team playing in one way and one way only, he needs to adapt and be flexible with the expensive squad HE put together. Make subs to influence the game BEFORE we concede would be a great start. So we have to criticise Rafa to be fair to Pardew and McClaren? As if a temporary blip in an otherwise impressive campaign is on a par with the masses of shite that we've had to put with in recent times? If anything, the sorry state of Rafa's predecessors should offer some perspective on the extent of the rebuild job he's currently overseeing. In some respects that is perfectly true but in regard to subs, formations and tactics during a game it has absolutely nothing to do with it. Not making subs until it's too late, playing a system that needs a tweak during a game has nothing to do with Pardew, McClaren or anyone else. It's perfectly fair for any of us to say it isn't working when it clearly isn't at any given time. It's not hysterical or wrong to comment on flaws in what Rafas doing. The man and what he's doing with the club are brilliant, the football side will follow i've no doubt at all, but to ignore clear failings in something i've no doubt he'll sort out is ridiculous just because he's Rafa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Norwich. Ah of course. The game where subs were made sooner rather than later and we were forced to play two strikers. Amost makes sense to try this more when we are behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Norwich. Ah of course. The game where subs were made sooner rather than later and we were forced to play two strikers. Amost makes sense to try this more when we are behind. We'd conceded three goals before we made the first sub. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Norwich. Ah of course. The game where subs were made sooner rather than later and we were forced to play two strikers. Amost makes sense to try this more when we are behind. We were losing when we made the first sub. Freakish 6 mins added. Two early changes from 70 mins went 442 and won. Mitro & Hayden. For Diame & Colback. Atsu came on for the last 6 mins. Its better than trying an extra attacker with a couple of minutes left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 We cant spend 3-4 seasons blaming managers for how awful we are and not criticise Benitez for the utter shite hes served up lately. The man is stubborn and has the team playing in one way and one way only, he needs to adapt and be flexible with the expensive squad HE put together. Make subs to influence the game BEFORE we concede would be a great start. The stubbornness with 4231 is getting on my nerves, this for me explains the subs situation as well. His changes are always like for like, until the striker comes on if we are losing. I just think you have to adapt at times. Isn't the argument that Rafa isn't panicking, like previous managers, and isn't chopping and changing systems just because of a dip in form ? I'm more than happy to support Rafa in his belief that maintaining a consistent pattern of play and structure will bear more fruit than constantly changing things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Norwich. Ah of course. The game where subs were made sooner rather than later and we were forced to play two strikers. Amost makes sense to try this more when we are behind. We were losing when we made the first sub. The second,third? No, it's only once we've come from behind to win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just had a look in the 4-3 thread and everyone was complaining about how late the subs were in that match anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 We cant spend 3-4 seasons blaming managers for how awful we are and not criticise Benitez for the utter s**** hes served up lately. The man is stubborn and has the team playing in one way and one way only, he needs to adapt and be flexible with the expensive squad HE put together. Make subs to influence the game BEFORE we concede would be a great start. So we have to criticise Rafa to be fair to Pardew and McClaren? As if a temporary blip in an otherwise impressive campaign is on a par with the masses of s**** that we've had to put with in recent times? If anything, the sorry state of Rafa's predecessors should offer some perspective on the extent of the rebuild job he's currently overseeing. In some respects that is perfectly true but in regard to subs, formations and tactics during a game it has absolutely nothing to do with it. Not making subs until it's too late, playing a system that needs a tweak during a game has nothing to do with Pardew, McClaren or anyone else. It's perfectly fair for any of us to say it isn't working when it clearly isn't at any given time. It's not hysterical or wrong to comment on flaws in what Rafas doing. The man and what he's doing with the club are brilliant, the football side will follow i've no doubt at all, but to ignore clear failings in something i've no doubt he'll sort out is ridiculous just because he's Rafa. I never said that Rafa is beyond reproach; I agree that the substitutions were too reactive today and ultimately came too late. I only took issue with the suggestion that Rafa should be criticised simply because we've blamed other managers in the past. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just had a look in the 4-3 thread and everyone was complaining about how late the subs were in that match anyway. Not that late. Had 26 minutes to do something. But yeah i can understand freaking out at the then top rival side at home 3-1down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 'Then top rival' being an apt description. 10 games in, Norwich are pulling away from us, think it's looking more and more likely that we are battling it out for the last auto place and play offs with a bunch of other teams. With our resources, that's not good enough, disappointed in Rafa, through this first quarterish of the season. 3 Losses at home in 5 is pathetic, in this division. That's Norwich who are now 15 points behind us. We're definitely doomed though, now we're only 2nd with 63 points left to play for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 KI is right like, it's pointless even trying to debate with some of this fuckng nonesense. Best off just wait until we turn it around and stay out of this thread for my own sanity after a loss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 fuckng nonesense Too right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 We cant spend 3-4 seasons blaming managers for how awful we are and not criticise Benitez for the utter s**** hes served up lately. The man is stubborn and has the team playing in one way and one way only, he needs to adapt and be flexible with the expensive squad HE put together. Make subs to influence the game BEFORE we concede would be a great start. So we have to criticise Rafa to be fair to Pardew and McClaren? As if a temporary blip in an otherwise impressive campaign is on a par with the masses of s**** that we've had to put with in recent times? If anything, the sorry state of Rafa's predecessors should offer some perspective on the extent of the rebuild job he's currently overseeing. In some respects that is perfectly true but in regard to subs, formations and tactics during a game it has absolutely nothing to do with it. Not making subs until it's too late, playing a system that needs a tweak during a game has nothing to do with Pardew, McClaren or anyone else. It's perfectly fair for any of us to say it isn't working when it clearly isn't at any given time. It's not hysterical or wrong to comment on flaws in what Rafas doing. The man and what he's doing with the club are brilliant, the football side will follow i've no doubt at all, but to ignore clear failings in something i've no doubt he'll sort out is ridiculous just because he's Rafa. I never said that Rafa is beyond reproach; I agree that the substitutions were too reactive today and ultimately came too late. I only took issue with the suggestion that Rafa should be criticised simply because we've blamed other managers in the past. Well i think we should criticise any manager whoever they are if they get it wrong, as long as we aren't going mentally over the top when it's clear it's a tweak here or there needed. After we're all managers who know better from our armchairs aren't we, especially in hindsight I do know what you mean though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 We cant spend 3-4 seasons blaming managers for how awful we are and not criticise Benitez for the utter shite hes served up lately. The man is stubborn and has the team playing in one way and one way only, he needs to adapt and be flexible with the expensive squad HE put together. Make subs to influence the game BEFORE we concede would be a great start. The stubbornness with 4231 is getting on my nerves, this for me explains the subs situation as well. His changes are always like for like, until the striker comes on if we are losing. I just think you have to adapt at times. Isn't the argument that Rafa isn't panicking, like previous managers, and isn't chopping and changing systems just because of a dip in form ? I'm more than happy to support Rafa in his belief that maintaining a consistent pattern of play and structure will bear more fruit than constantly changing things. We should be concentrating more results than pattern of play when we are losing though especially with the inconsistent form we are in. A defeat is a defeat at the end of the day. I'd just like to see a more proactive manager when we go behind in the 2nd half of games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 'Then top rival' being an apt description. 10 games in, Norwich are pulling away from us, think it's looking more and more likely that we are battling it out for the last auto place and play offs with a bunch of other teams. With our resources, that's not good enough, disappointed in Rafa, through this first quarterish of the season. 3 Losses at home in 5 is pathetic, in this division. That's Norwich who are now 15 points behind us. We're definitely doomed though, now we're only 2nd with 63 points left to play for. You dont think we should try to look at the potential defeat we have turned into one positive,and the 7 we have not. Just carry on, dont question anything. And be happy when we look utter shit vs weak opponents.?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Embarrassed by some of the nackers on here like. Honestly KI, your are pathetic at times. People are rightly concerned from 4 defeats in 7 league games. Except that being concerned isn't what I find embarrassing. Carry on with your needlessly inflammatory tirades with everyone though. While you're right about some of the OTT comments...you rarely add to a discussion these days. It's always just a snide insult. You ok? I don't think there's really anything insightful to add, we have an imperfect manager who is far better than anything we could have asked for. He's open to criticism just like anyone and he has his faults but I think the way some people go on is counterproductive and borderline deluded imo, which is a tag associated with us that is disappointing to see in real life. I'm along for the ride and accepting of who Rafa is rather than questioning every tiny little thing, because I trust him and trust his record. I don't think that having a bit of faith in someone like Rafa is a bad thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts