Group B - Wales (Q), England (Q), Slovakia (Q), Russia

[Dave]

Well done Roy. We're now in the same half of the draw as Spain, Germany, France and probably Italy.

 

Well fucking done.

[Stifler]

Well done Roy. We're now in the same half of the draw as Spain, Germany, France and probably Italy.

 

Well fucking done.

Don't forget Portugal.

[Wullie]

Well done Roy. We're now in the same half of the draw as Spain, Germany, France and probably Italy.

 

Well fucking done.

 

Definitely Italy, they're already through, though one of Italy/Spain will go out in the next round.

[Interpolic]

It's fucking infuriating like, it really is. England seem to do this a lot, iirc when Brazil knocked us out in 2002 we'd have had a far easier route if we'd won the group but fucked up the last group game with a draw against Nigeria or someone.

[triggs]

Tournament should be class from here on in

[Wullie]

It's fucking infuriating like, it really is. England seem to do this a lot, iirc when Brazil knocked us out in 2002 we'd have had a far easier route if we'd won the group but fucked up the last group game with a draw against Nigeria or someone.

 

Yep we'd have played Senegal followed by Turkey.

[Interpolic]

In that short feature on itv just now they said England had 79 shots in 3 games

 

[Yorkie]

It's fucking infuriating like, it really is. England seem to do this a lot, iirc when Brazil knocked us out in 2002 we'd have had a far easier route if we'd won the group but fucked up the last group game with a draw against Nigeria or someone.

 

Yep we'd have played Senegal followed by Turkey.

 

I'd forgotten about that. I was only wee but I can remember really thinking we had a hand on the trophy after that Argentina win.

 

This time is also seriously fucking frustrating. We won't get past the quarters, like.

[sbnufc]

In that short feature on itv just now they said England had 79 shots in 3 games

 

 

Only 20 short of Ronaldo in two games

[Wullie]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/jun/21/england-roy-hodgson-euro-2016

 

England’s reaction to a goalless draw and the runners-up berth in Group B felt stage-managed. Players trooped away from Stade Geoffroy-Guichard late on Monday night offering up well-rehearsed soundbites. Jordan Henderson spoke of how “fresh” a radically altered team had been and echoed his manager’s post-match comments that, at some point, this side will thrash someone. Joe Hart focused on his own unswerving belief in the collective and an eagerness “to build on three good performances”.

 

It was all very on-message, a public show of conviction in underlying qualities and an attempt to offer reassurance of better times in store: the frustration will pass; the results will come; whoever comes up against England next is in for a hiding. It is only right that a team cling to the positives, particularly when braced for criticism. There had been promise aplenty in their play against Russia, Wales and Slovakia and rarely have England monopolised possession to such an extent in three fixtures running at a major tournament. Yet the upbeat PR was a little too polished in the context of the campaign.

 

Three games into Euro 2016 the suspicion nags that everything else is being done on the hoof. England do seem to have a remarkable propensity to overcomplicate just as everything would appear to be going swimmingly. One need only recall Fabio Capello’s unnecessary and, ultimately, costly brain-freeze on the eve of the 2010 World Cup.

 

The current team enjoyed a pristine record in what was admittedly a stroll of a qualification campaign and had 40 weeks between booking their place at Euro 2016 – with a victory in San Marino in early September – and their first match in France to experiment, plan and prepare. They took a young team to Berlin in March and beat the world champions and, just to be on the safe side, organised a trio of pre-tournament friendlies to conduct their final tactical tweaks.

 

Yet, even with more than nine months and 10 fixtures after the win in Serravalle, England still seem as perplexed as ever as to their best starting lineup. They employed Wayne Rooney in a new midfield brief against Russia, albeit with success, having never used him there before and Roy Hodgson later admitted that his captain’s second-half withdrawal, much to the Manchester United player’s frustration, had partly been born of the stresses of adapting to the demands of a relatively fresh role.

 

“There’s an element of work with him to be done in that position,” the England manager had said, “and he has to concentrate and think very hard about his positional play.” Russia’s equaliser was shipped without the captain on the pitch. Rooney was the only outfield player to start in Marseille who had also begun in San Marino back in the autumn and he is now being used in a completely new position.

 

Hodgson would rightly argue circumstance has played a part in the radical metamorphosis, with players’ form and fitness fluctuating and others, particularly from Tottenham Hotspur, forcing themselves into contention. He would point to the attacking nature of all three displays in Group B, to the 65 shots his team have had and to their dominance over opponents intent only on blunting. But was there not an opportunity to give the system a trial run against Turkey, Australia or Portugal in the final friendlies?

 

The decision to make six changes on Monday and then to send on Rooney, Dele Alli and Harry Kane in search of a winner, merely promoted a sense of chaos. Similarly, might not an out-and-out winger – an Andros Townsend, for example – have been an asset in unlocking Slovakia in Saint-Étienne? Even with his eagerness to cut inside and fire shots at goal, Townsend might have stretched opponents whose ambition did not extend beyond blanket defence. At present this England team rely heavily on their full-backs to provide width and, even though all four have been impressive in their own way, there seems a lack of variety in the squad. Ross Barkley, a playmaker happier in central positions, has yet to kick a ball in the tournament.

 

Jack Wilshere, for all his undoubted ability, looks a player who had managed only 141 minutes of first-team football for Arsenal all season. It is over a year since he last saw out a whole game. Instead Hodgson chose to bring a quintet of strikers – of whom the most experienced has since been converted into a midfielder – to France and, while Daniel Sturridge and Jamie Vardy turned the game against Wales, the profligacy over the three games has still left the management baffled as to who should be considered first choice.

 

“That could also be a headache we have to deal with,” Hodgson said. “All of them have shown a lot of qualities in the games but none of them as yet has really shown he is able to score the goals we need. We have a clear idea of the players we think we would like to play and we will have to wait and see in Nice. If I had bedded down a partnership and one of them had got injured, you would have been saying I should have tried others.”

 

That much is true and it should not be forgotten that, had they benefited from slightly better fortune, England would have won all three games and, on paper, suddenly appear one of the tournament favourites. There are plenty of sides at Euro 2016 who have yet to find their rhythm. Yet is it a surprise they have struggled in front of goal when the supply-line is constantly changing and the only constant across the front is Adam Lallana, a forward-thinker who has not scored a goal at international level after 26 caps?

 

Many of that impressive sum of shots have been rather hopeful and indicative of a team running out of ideas or guile in the final third, where it is required most of all. In many ways the composition and shape of the front six still seems a work in progress with Hodgson suggesting “we will have to decide what our best system is” as he contemplated the knockout tie to come. He was being opponent-specific but both Hungary and Iceland, who might await in Nice, will seek to stifle just as Slovakia did. Another exercise in patience probably awaits unless the forward line, presumably with Kane restored, finds its teeth once again. The manager would argue all this constant chopping and changing reflects his overall faith in a young and promising group, returning to the message of the moment. The problem is that too often everything else appears more like an exercise in improvisation.

[Leazes_End_Mag]

England are going to fluke their way to the semi finals ya na lads.

 

They'll beat whoever they play on Monday and more than likely be facing France in the Quarter's. 

[Altamullan]

Finishing second looks to have put us in a much tougher half of the draw. Thus far we've got:

Germany v ?

Italy v Spain

France v ?

England v ? (Portugal, Hungary or Iceland).

 

Looks like more big hitters to get past than in the Wales half:

Switzerland v Poland

Croatia v ?

Wales v ?

(Portugal, Hungary or Iceland) v (Belgium, Sweden or Ireland).

 

 

[Marmoset]

We'll get to the final then lose to Poland.

[Cronky]

England again are a misjointed team. The defence is actually OK, nothing spectacular, but the centre-backs are a decent pairing and the full-backs get forward well and have enough pace and energy to defend the flank. Attack is very good too. But that midfield is s***, Dier and Ali aside. Lallana plays for England like he did pre Klopp for Liverpool. I'd play Kane and Vardy up front and play with wingers. Townsend should have went. Rooney and Henderson lack energy and Wilshire is unfit and Milner is bang average. That and Roy's tactics will harm England which is a shame because we have some good players and can cause teams problems.

 

Not with 4-4-2 and two wingers we won't. Others teams will be able to read us like a book.

[The College Dropout]

Slightly quicker Hleb

Lallana? Aye, very accurate. If he could do the same job as a CM you would be looking at a top class player. Or if he could constantly get on the ball and terrorise teams with his touch, agility, passing and runs. But he's largely ineffective at breaking sides down.

[jollof rice and pea]

Didn't really mean it as a compliment, more a 'looks good without contributing anything of note' context.

[Guest dabe]

He also isn't anything like Hleb defensively.

[Tsunami]

When you look at the other half of the draw Hodgson deserves huge criticism. Wales could go a long way, fancy Croatia to do very well.

[Marmoset]

We'll beat France.

[Jayson]

We'll beat France.

 

Payet might decide it on his own, prem players always seem to do well in knock out rounds v us.

Saying that we could beat anyone with Vardy et al if we use them properly, as their mentality is different from previous England forwards.

[54]

Do we know who will be showing the England game yet? I hope it's BBC.

[Guest]

Do we know who will be showing the England game yet? I hope it's BBC.

 

ITV, unfortunately.

[Interpolic]

Eh, I thought they took turns?

[astraguy]

Hope the only change Roy makes is Vardy for Sterling