Who's going to be relegated from the Premier League?

[Greg]

Most Swansea fans are expecting the worse now.

 

Clement got off to a great start but has been baffling for a few weeks now, very very negative when we know we do better when we play positive, we never have been able to defend.

 

Llorente has been injured so he's played Ayew as a lone striker, I can't believe anyone thinks him a striker, let alone a lone one, he can be decent out wide but that's not what we need. Hitting crosses in as if Llorente was there to Ayew is insane.

 

We have a 15 million striker who's only played 3 games, all managers have shunned him so must be something wrong behind the scenes.

 

We had a group of games that we should have gathered the points to see us through and we got 1 point (home to Middlesbro). Pitiful.

 

 

 

 

I really hope you stay up, you have always been a likeable club, normally play decent football, and I'm moving to Swansea in a few months, so I'd be handy if both Newcastle and Swansea were in the Premier League.

 

I really, really, hope they go down for the way they treated Bradley.

I'd say Swansea were fairly vindicated in the way they treated Bradley like

 

Absolutely not. One of the managers with the best records in Europe when it comes to sorting out shitfuck teams into good teams (albeit not in the four massive leagues) and he was not even given a transfer window before being replaced by a manager with no record to speak of.

 

This is a mental statement.

 

Nah, give me five others that have taken teams on shoestring budgets consistently into title fights in the past few seasons?

 

Based one one stint in the Norweigan league?

 

Consistently as well?

 

Weapons grade horseshit.

 

French Ligue 2 as well. He also made the US national team look competitive, only for Klinsmann to f*** that s*** up. Egypt as well, for one.

 

Finished 4th with Le Havre in the French second tier in his only other managerial stint in Europe and you've claimed he's one of the best in Europe in such situations.

 

Utter bollocks I'm afraid.

[ponsaelius]

Wasn't he hired by an American with a history of MLS ownership? I'm not completely aware of their situation, but it's clear he got his job more on his nationality and time as US manager than whatever he did in Norway.

 

Swansea should have stuck with Guidolin.

[Wullie]

Le Havre finished 7th in Ligue 2 the season before he was appointed, then he finished 4th. When he left, they were 5th.  "Consistently into title fights"

 

I'm pretty sure every Ligue 2 club has a "shoestring budget".

[Kaizero]

Most Swansea fans are expecting the worse now.

 

Clement got off to a great start but has been baffling for a few weeks now, very very negative when we know we do better when we play positive, we never have been able to defend.

 

Llorente has been injured so he's played Ayew as a lone striker, I can't believe anyone thinks him a striker, let alone a lone one, he can be decent out wide but that's not what we need. Hitting crosses in as if Llorente was there to Ayew is insane.

 

We have a 15 million striker who's only played 3 games, all managers have shunned him so must be something wrong behind the scenes.

 

We had a group of games that we should have gathered the points to see us through and we got 1 point (home to Middlesbro). Pitiful.

 

 

 

 

I really hope you stay up, you have always been a likeable club, normally play decent football, and I'm moving to Swansea in a few months, so I'd be handy if both Newcastle and Swansea were in the Premier League.

 

I really, really, hope they go down for the way they treated Bradley.

I'd say Swansea were fairly vindicated in the way they treated Bradley like

 

Absolutely not. One of the managers with the best records in Europe when it comes to sorting out shitfuck teams into good teams (albeit not in the four massive leagues) and he was not even given a transfer window before being replaced by a manager with no record to speak of.

 

This is a mental statement.

 

Nah, give me five others that have taken teams on shoestring budgets consistently into title fights in the past few seasons?

 

Based one one stint in the Norweigan league?

 

Consistently as well?

 

Weapons grade horseshit.

 

French Ligue 2 as well. He also made the US national team look competitive, only for Klinsmann to f*** that s*** up. Egypt as well, for one.

 

Finished 4th with Le Havre in the French second tier in his only other managerial stint in Europe and you've claimed he's one of the best in Europe in such situations.

 

Utter bollocks I'm afraid.

 

Half a season in charge, completely turned them around. Left them in a good position, now lingering mid-table without him. Stabæk went on to narrowly escape relegation without him and look a complete mess.

[Greg]

Completely turned them around from 7th to 4th?

[Kaizero]

You're all getting stuck up on something else than what the argument is about. I'll fully accept being too enthusiastic about defending his appointment, but the stats and past experiences from his career still doesn't lie. He deserved a chance at a top gig, though he went on to squander it.

[Dave]

11 games wasn't a lot but they looked hopeless during his time in charge.

 

I'm not disputing that at all. My frustration is with the people saying he shouldn't have been hired in the first place when you lok at all the bullshit hires going around the big four leagues.

 

Eh? This whole thing started with you saying you hope they go down for how they treated him.

[ponsaelius]

Could name literally hundreds of managers around the planet who have done stints in minor leagues and as international managers. It doesn't necessarily make them candidates for PL jobs. Bradley got his on a whim of Yankee nepotism.

[Kaizero]

11 games wasn't a lot but they looked hopeless during his time in charge.

 

I'm not disputing that at all. My frustration is with the people saying he shouldn't have been hired in the first place when you lok at all the bullshit hires going around the big four leagues.

 

Eh? This whole thing started with you saying you hope they go down for how they treated him.

 

That they looked hopeless with him in charge? They did. But he only had 11 games, and shit players. They still have shit players, and their new manager isn't doing much of a better job making them perform. The matches I've watched with Swansea this season they basically look just as hopless now as they did under Bradley. They should've given him the window, sacking him after eleven games was nonsense - and it came about due to fan pressure due to him being American and the media hating Americans saying soccer.

[Kaizero]

Could name literally hundreds of managers around the planet who have done stints in minor leagues and as international managers. It doesn't necessarily make them candidates for PL jobs. Bradley got his on a whim of Yankee nepotism.

 

Again, I'm not saying he wasn't hired by the Yank owners because he was a Yank. I fully believe that was the reason he was hired. My argument is that compared to many other appointments in the bigger leagues in Europe, it wasn't a bad one - yet he was faced with instant hate from both fans and media. The fans wanted him out immediately, it's hard to turn around a team where you're immediately hated The fans and media seemed to approve of Clement, and yet he's not improved Swansea - and, as I've said, I think he had less qualifications to get a PL gig.

 

Marco Silva is a comparable appointment, IMO. In that he's done enough in his career to deserve a chance, yet he was met with instant media hatred. Hence why I also want Hull to stay up and go on to be competitive to shut those fuckers up. Silva had won a fucking league title prior to taking over Hull FFS.

[Foluwashola]

He didn't receive instant hate from the media. People were rightly confused why they got rid of a proper manager for some bloke from Le havre.

 

Clement improved them massively in his first few games tbf.

[Groo]

Bradley didn't have a clue. Totally out of his depth.

 

Crucified by the media for being American and only given 11 matches to change a squad full of s*** into not-s*** No matter how many times someone tries to argue Bradley was rightly sacked, it will always be bullshit. Should he have been hired in the first place? Now that's a different argument, and that one could be had properly.

 

 

Sorry, but your showing yourself up as someone without a clue.

 

There was never a backlash against him being American, he could have been a Martian as long as we played decent football. Although his appointment was because the new American owner's wanted an American manager.

 

You said earlier he had a good record in Europe, can you point me out to that, because I read his record, although fairly decent he didn't stand out. Most of his management was in America or for National teams, his league teams were small Scandinavian or French second division (equivalent of 4th division here). If you say he had a great record, then I can imagine you'd welcome Russel Slade, Gary Johnston or Steve Evans appointed as Newcastle's manager. He wasn't a young up and coming manager, could accept a young manager who's been showing great promise but not a ling at the tooth manager who'd never managed at the top level in the league.

 

A lot of the angst was due to the sacking of Guidolin, a manager who did have a top experience and was sacked after a string of bad results against mainly to top teams. In all those games we played well, were never looking out of depth and never thrashed.

 

Then came Bradley and suddenly we were looking shocking, not just losing but letting in 3, 4 or 5 goals every week.

 

Wow, you think he was treated badly!!!!!!

 

I don't blame Bradley, he took his opportunity as any manager would. He started off by telling the World how he had finally arrived in a top league and how he was as good as Klop, Mourhino, etc. Nothing like confidence, then turned us into a team who couldn't defend.

 

Sorry, he was bad, very very bad. Extremely bad.

 

If you can stomach your team being destroyed by someone who didn't know what he was doing, then good for you.

[Kaizero]

Bradley didn't have a clue. Totally out of his depth.

 

Crucified by the media for being American and only given 11 matches to change a squad full of s*** into not-s*** No matter how many times someone tries to argue Bradley was rightly sacked, it will always be bullshit. Should he have been hired in the first place? Now that's a different argument, and that one could be had properly.

 

 

Sorry, but your showing yourself up as someone without a clue.

 

There was never a backlash against him being American, he could have been a Martian as long as we played decent football. Although his appointment was because the new American owner's wanted an American manager.

 

You said earlier he had a good record in Europe, can you point me out to that, because I read his record, although fairly decent he didn't stand out. Most of his management was in America or for National teams, his league teams were small Scandinavian or French second division (equivalent of 4th division here). If you say he had a great record, then I can imagine you'd welcome Russel Slade, Gary Johnston or Steve Evans appointed as Newcastle's manager. He wasn't a young up and coming manager, could accept a young manager who's been showing great promise but not a ling at the tooth manager who'd never managed at the top level in the league.

 

I've literally gone through it in this thread multiple times already

 

You should've stuck with Guidolin though. I agree with that. If I had to pick between Clement and Bradley, I'd pick Bradley. If I had to pick between Silva and Clement, I'd pick Silva. If I had to pick between Silva and Bradley, I'd pick Silva. If I had to pick between Bradley, Silva, Clement and Guidolin, I'd probably pick Guidolin.

[Groo]

Oh and as a general comment from fans of 'bigger' teams, "shit team, shit players", nice.

 

We have some very decent players and when they play as a team can give a game to almost anyone. Yes we're not Chelsea, then again we don't have the money to hoover up all the best players.

 

 

[triggs]

11 games wasn't a lot but they looked hopeless during his time in charge.

 

I'm not disputing that at all. My frustration is with the people saying he shouldn't have been hired in the first place when you lok at all the bullshit hires going around the big four leagues.

 

Eh? This whole thing started with you saying you hope they go down for how they treated him.

 

That they looked hopeless with him in charge? They did. But he only had 11 games, and shit players. They still have shit players, and their new manager isn't doing much of a better job making them perform. The matches I've watched with Swansea this season they basically look just as hopless now as they did under Bradley. They should've given him the window, sacking him after eleven games was nonsense - and it came about due to fan pressure due to him being American and the media hating Americans saying soccer.

If performances were encouraging and results were decent, his nationality wouldn't have mattered. Silva was treated similarly when he arrived and proved them all wrong quickly

[Kaizero]

Oh and as a general comment from fans of 'bigger' teams, "shit team, shit players", nice.

 

We have some very decent players and when they play as a team can give a game to almost anyone. Yes we're not Chelsea, then again we don't have the money to hoover up all the best players.

 

We have an absolute shit team right now, we're hanging on by the grace of Rafa IMO. A manager can do wonders, and I fully understand Bradley did not exactly do that in his time in charge

 

I would've however have wanted to see what Bradley could do with a transfer window to create his team as he's very fickle about his style of play, and going in you did not have players suiting his system - which in itself was a bad move by Bradley taking the job as he should know that. Once given the job, however right or wrong the process of him getting it was, he should've had some more time, even with the initial bad results/defence - especially as you replaced him with Paul Clement.

[joeyt]

Ideally would want Palace to go down but it will be one of Hull or Swansea going down.

 

Feel a bit indifferent about either team going down but want Hull to stay up just because of the Merson and Thompson reaction

[Shearergol]

Oh and as a general comment from fans of 'bigger' teams, "shit team, shit players", nice.

 

We have some very decent players and when they play as a team can give a game to almost anyone. Yes we're not Chelsea, then again we don't have the money to hoover up all the best players.

 

We have an absolute shit team right now, we're hanging on by the grace of Rafa IMO. A manager can do wonders, and I fully understand Bradley did not exactly do that in his time in charge

 

I would've however have wanted to see what Bradley could do with a transfer window to create his team as he's very fickle about his style of play, and going in you did not have players suiting his system - which in itself was a bad move by Bradley taking the job as he should know that. Once given the job, however right or wrong the process of him getting it was, he should've had some more time, even with the initial bad results/defence - especially as you replaced him with Paul Clement.

 

When Rafa leaves in summer after Ashley screws him over will you be campaigning for Bradley to take over?

[mattypnufc]

Hull to stay up please.  Closer for an away trip.

[Seymour]

18th Hull

19th Boro

20th Sunderland

[NG32]

Sunderland, Boro and Swansea.  I think Hull and Palace will step clear of those bottom three places.

[cp40]

Matched their recent points totals to remaining games- ie form  looks like this.

 

 

 

Palace              46

Bournemouth  44

Wham              39

Hull                  39

Swans              32

Boro                  27

Sunderland        21

[afar]

If either Boro or the Mackems turn their form around and end up surviving, it'll be one of the greatest escapes in recent memory. It's really about who will join them, and probably between Hull and Swansea.

[Figures 1-0 Football]

I think it'll finish as it is now, I can see Hull pulling away from the three. They've got a relatively easy run-in.

 

By the time they play Palace and Spurs, neither of them will have anything to play for. In fact, you could argue that none of the teams they have remaining have anything to play for when they meet.

 

Stoke (a)

Watford (h)

Southampton (a)

mackems (h)

Palace (a)

Spurs (h)

[Altamullan]

I'm sticking with the obvious plus Hull; appreciate they have picked-up but think they may blow-up now.