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A retired HMRC inspector on the news this morning said his biggest raid was for a financial service company in London with £100 million in unpaid revenue, he took 8 staff !!

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A retired HMRC inspector on the news this morning said his biggest raid was for a financial service company in London with £100 million in unpaid revenue, he took 8 staff !!

 

Yep - it's a PR exercise. Wouldn't be surprised if they know they're gonna lose the rangers case tbh.

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He's got a point tbh. They're like a legalised mafia. I've got personal experience of their mafia-esque behaviour.

A bloke my stepdad works with was hit with a fairly large tax bill which he didn't owe and came close to him losing his home and everything they had. His wife was a housewife with no career and she self-studied tax law to overcome their problem. Once their issue was resolved she undertook full accountant training which specialises in taxes. She now works full time for little to no fee representing people who have been screwed by the tax man. My stepdad had an income tax a few years ago, how he managed it considering he has worked for North Tyneside council for over 30 years is beyond anyone's guess, but they alleged he owed them money. He sent the letter of demands off to his mates wife where she wrote back to them saying he didn't owe it because of such and such. They wrote back and changed their demand to 10% of their original request. He sent it back off to his mates wife who wrote back to them and said he doesn't owe that. The next letter he received was one saying he didn't owe them anything and that they apologise for the error. He went from being told he owed over £2,000 to owing them nothing. They really do just pick names out of the hat and request money.
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A retired HMRC inspector on the news this morning said his biggest raid was for a financial service company in London with £100 million in unpaid revenue, he took 8 staff !!

 

Yep - it's a PR exercise. Wouldn't be surprised if they know they're gonna lose the rangers case tbh.

 

Doubt it's a PR exercise, PR for what?  They don't have competition.  It's a statement of intent, they are going to do something to prove that they can, they have been after football for years.  I fear we are the fall guys

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He's got a point tbh. They're like a legalised mafia. I've got personal experience of their mafia-esque behaviour.

A bloke my stepdad works with was hit with a fairly large tax bill which he didn't owe and came close to him losing his home and everything they had. His wife was a housewife with no career and she self-studied tax law to overcome their problem. Once their issue was resolved she undertook full accountant training which specialises in taxes. She now works full time for little to no fee representing people who have been screwed by the tax man. My stepdad had an income tax a few years ago, how he managed it considering he has worked for North Tyneside council for over 30 years is beyond anyone's guess, but they alleged he owed them money. He sent the letter of demands off to his mates wife where she wrote back to them saying he didn't owe it because of such and such. They wrote back and changed their demand to 10% of their original request. He sent it back off to his mates wife who wrote back to them and said he doesn't owe that. The next letter he received was one saying he didn't owe them anything and that they apologise for the error. He went from being told he owed over £2,000 to owing them nothing. They really do just pick names out of the hat and request money.

I'm sure I've seen the film of that, Reese Witherspoon wasn't it ?
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He's got a point tbh. They're like a legalised mafia. I've got personal experience of their mafia-esque behaviour.

A bloke my stepdad works with was hit with a fairly large tax bill which he didn't owe and came close to him losing his home and everything they had. His wife was a housewife with no career and she self-studied tax law to overcome their problem. Once their issue was resolved she undertook full accountant training which specialises in taxes. She now works full time for little to no fee representing people who have been screwed by the tax man. My stepdad had an income tax a few years ago, how he managed it considering he has worked for North Tyneside council for over 30 years is beyond anyone's guess, but they alleged he owed them money. He sent the letter of demands off to his mates wife where she wrote back to them saying he didn't owe it because of such and such. They wrote back and changed their demand to 10% of their original request. He sent it back off to his mates wife who wrote back to them and said he doesn't owe that. The next letter he received was one saying he didn't owe them anything and that they apologise for the error. He went from being told he owed over £2,000 to owing them nothing. They really do just pick names out of the hat and request money.

They really don't, you absolute loon. The PAYE system isn't perfect but it's based on the information the employer and individual supplies HMRC. Mistakes are going to happen, it's practically unavoidable but to suggest their picking names from a hat to choose which people's lives they ruin is ludicrous talk.

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He's got a point tbh. They're like a legalised mafia. I've got personal experience of their mafia-esque behaviour.

A bloke my stepdad works with was hit with a fairly large tax bill which he didn't owe and came close to him losing his home and everything they had. His wife was a housewife with no career and she self-studied tax law to overcome their problem. Once their issue was resolved she undertook full accountant training which specialises in taxes. She now works full time for little to no fee representing people who have been screwed by the tax man. My stepdad had an income tax a few years ago, how he managed it considering he has worked for North Tyneside council for over 30 years is beyond anyone's guess, but they alleged he owed them money. He sent the letter of demands off to his mates wife where she wrote back to them saying he didn't owe it because of such and such. They wrote back and changed their demand to 10% of their original request. He sent it back off to his mates wife who wrote back to them and said he doesn't owe that. The next letter he received was one saying he didn't owe them anything and that they apologise for the error. He went from being told he owed over £2,000 to owing them nothing. They really do just pick names out of the hat and request money.

They really don't, you absolute loon. The PAYE system isn't perfect but it's based on the information the employer and individual supplies HMRC. Mistakes are going to happen, it's practically unavoidable but to suggest their picking names from a hat to choose which people's lives they ruin is ludicrous talk.

Last sentence was an exaggeration, however when they have people who are highly trained in fraud and very experienced, then when the mistake is pointed out to them there is no reason why they should still be chasing people. If someone who has only just studied tax law and rules can point these mistakes out then there is no reason for HMRC to be making the mistakes, even after the error has been highlighted. At the very best that equals incompetence, at the worst they just don't have any regard for anyone and continue down the line chasing people for money out of stubbornness.
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He's got a point tbh. They're like a legalised mafia. I've got personal experience of their mafia-esque behaviour.

A bloke my stepdad works with was hit with a fairly large tax bill which he didn't owe and came close to him losing his home and everything they had. His wife was a housewife with no career and she self-studied tax law to overcome their problem. Once their issue was resolved she undertook full accountant training which specialises in taxes. She now works full time for little to no fee representing people who have been screwed by the tax man. My stepdad had an income tax a few years ago, how he managed it considering he has worked for North Tyneside council for over 30 years is beyond anyone's guess, but they alleged he owed them money. He sent the letter of demands off to his mates wife where she wrote back to them saying he didn't owe it because of such and such. They wrote back and changed their demand to 10% of their original request. He sent it back off to his mates wife who wrote back to them and said he doesn't owe that. The next letter he received was one saying he didn't owe them anything and that they apologise for the error. He went from being told he owed over £2,000 to owing them nothing. They really do just pick names out of the hat and request money.

They really don't, you absolute loon. The PAYE system isn't perfect but it's based on the information the employer and individual supplies HMRC. Mistakes are going to happen, it's practically unavoidable but to suggest their picking names from a hat to choose which people's lives they ruin is ludicrous talk.

Last sentence was an exaggeration, however when they have people who are highly trained in fraud and very experienced, then when the mistake is pointed out to them there is no reason why they should still be chasing people. If someone who has only just studied tax law and rules can point these mistakes out then there is no reason for HMRC to be making the mistakes, even after the error has been highlighted. At the very best that equals incompetence, at the worst they just don't have any regard for anyone and continue down the line chasing people for money out of stubbornness.

 

Sorry mate but you have no idea how the public sector works.  HMRC is a massive organisation, bringing in billions of pounds into the exchequer.  They have low paid Civil Servants carrying out process based tasks.  They are not highly trained in law and there is a reason for that, if the taxpayer funds the training of tax professionals to be highly skilled they will leave and get much more money in an accountancy firm or as an accountant in business.  It does not make sense to give them massive amounts of 'free' training.

 

So you either pay them much more or you tolerate the consequences of having an organisation, funded by the taxpayer which makes mistakes.  Which one do you think a government would go for?

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He's got a point tbh. They're like a legalised mafia. I've got personal experience of their mafia-esque behaviour.

A bloke my stepdad works with was hit with a fairly large tax bill which he didn't owe and came close to him losing his home and everything they had. His wife was a housewife with no career and she self-studied tax law to overcome their problem. Once their issue was resolved she undertook full accountant training which specialises in taxes. She now works full time for little to no fee representing people who have been screwed by the tax man. My stepdad had an income tax a few years ago, how he managed it considering he has worked for North Tyneside council for over 30 years is beyond anyone's guess, but they alleged he owed them money. He sent the letter of demands off to his mates wife where she wrote back to them saying he didn't owe it because of such and such. They wrote back and changed their demand to 10% of their original request. He sent it back off to his mates wife who wrote back to them and said he doesn't owe that. The next letter he received was one saying he didn't owe them anything and that they apologise for the error. He went from being told he owed over £2,000 to owing them nothing. They really do just pick names out of the hat and request money.

They really don't, you absolute loon. The PAYE system isn't perfect but it's based on the information the employer and individual supplies HMRC. Mistakes are going to happen, it's practically unavoidable but to suggest their picking names from a hat to choose which people's lives they ruin is ludicrous talk.

Last sentence was an exaggeration, however when they have people who are highly trained in fraud and very experienced, then when the mistake is pointed out to them there is no reason why they should still be chasing people. If someone who has only just studied tax law and rules can point these mistakes out then there is no reason for HMRC to be making the mistakes, even after the error has been highlighted. At the very best that equals incompetence, at the worst they just don't have any regard for anyone and continue down the line chasing people for money out of stubbornness.

 

Sorry mate but you have no idea how the public sector works.  HMRC is a massive organisation, bringing in billions of pounds into the exchequer.  They have low paid Civil Servants carrying out process based tasks.  They are not highly trained in law and there is a reason for that, if the taxpayer funds the training of tax professionals to be highly skilled they will leave and get much more money in an accountancy firm or as an accountant in business.  It does not make sense to give them massive amounts of 'free' training.

 

So you either pay them much more or you tolerate the consequences of having an organisation, funded by the taxpayer which makes mistakes.  Which one do you think a government would go for?

I'm not saying they should be highly trained at every level. They should however be trained at a level where they can understand and do the calculations they need in order to make sure they are going after the right people, and they should be knowledgable enough to recongnise errors, especially after it has been pointed out to them.
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They are but mistakes will be made.  Think about it, Civil Servants serving every single business and tax paying individual in the UK, you are going to get some war stories

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Always had pretty good experiences dealing with HMRC, once you get through on the phone they seem fine. Had trouble with HMRC and Student Loans not talking to each other very well but that's mainly because they have two separate systems that can't share data very well.

 

Once got an unexpectedly large tax bill and they arranged for me to pay in instalments no problem.

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HMRC once tried to take the vast majority of my pay after giving me the wrong tax code that said my main source of income was actually a second job, however a quick phone call rectified the issue. I can see why people are drawing comparisons between them and murderous Sicilian crime families.

 

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HMRC once tried to take the vast majority of my pay after giving me the wrong tax code that said my main source of income was actually a second job, however a quick phone call rectified the issue. I can see why people are drawing comparisons between them and murderous Sicilian crime families.

 

:lol:

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There is a reason they are targeting football clubs rather than these huge corporations that pay very little if any UK tax.  The corporations will simply up sticks and move to another country where they won't have to pay tax.  Football clubs have no choice but to remain in the UK hence HMRC targeting football.

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