Dr.Spaceman Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 minute ago, brummie said: There seems to be a fire sale going on over there. My heart bleeds for them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Just now, Dr.Spaceman said: My heart bleeds for them I genuinely never thought a bad thing about Wolves, and they are in no way whatsoever considered a 'derby' by our fans, never have been, even though the grounds are 12-13 miles apart (there are a lot of clubs around these parts). Then when they got promoted their fans were constantly on about us, having finished above us for the first time in about 50 years with all this "mind the gap" shit, really bizarre. Obsessed with us (like Coventry, similar vibe). So now, they can go and fuck themselves. I remember when they used to play in front of less than 4k in the third division, the uppity wankers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tina Tooner Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) Aston Villa are MINUS 125m on transfer sales last 3 seasons. They have already spent 28m this season and are bidding for Diaby. Would love someone to explain how they are navigating FFP. Im not saying anything shady is going on would just love to know how they are balancing the books. Edited July 14, 2023 by Tina Tooner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kocunar Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 15 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Wonder what the odds of Saudi Arabia trying to "buy" a place in UEFA competition would be. I don't think they would accept it even if UEFA offered it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kocunar Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tina Tooner said: Aston Villa are MINUS 125m on transfer sales last 3 seasons. They have already spent 28m this season and are bidding for Diaby. Would love someone to explain how they are navigating FFP. Im not saying anything shady is going on would just love to know how they are balancing the books. I mean we are minus 340m on transfer sales last 3 seasons and already bought Tonali this summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, Tina Tooner said: Aston Villa are MINUS 125m on transfer sales last 3 seasons. They have already spent 28m this season and are bidding for Diaby. Would love someone to explain how they are navigating FFP. Im not saying anything shady is going on would just love to know how they are balancing the books. Newcastle United are MINUS 338m on transfer sales last 3 seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) It's also not done on full transfer figures, it's more complex, it is about amortisation of values over a period of time, and the window which counts shifts. I'd also say that even based on minus 125m, that's a net spend of 40m each year, ie 20m each window, which is positively restrained compared to most clubs. We've spent next to nothing the last two years. Edited July 14, 2023 by brummie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 11 minutes ago, brummie said: It's also not done on full transfer figures, it's more complex, it is about amortisation of values over a period of time, and the window which counts shifts. I'd also say that even based on minus 125m, that's a net spend of 40m each year, ie 20m each window, which is positively restrained compared to most clubs. We've spent next to nothing the last two years. And yet you’d have failed ffp by a massive amount until you sold Villa Park. https://offthepitch.com/a/aston-villa-under-christian-purslow-continued-heavy-losses-and-extravagant-transfer-spending Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Manxst said: And yet you’d have failed ffp by a massive amount until you sold Villa Park. https://offthepitch.com/a/aston-villa-under-christian-purslow-continued-heavy-losses-and-extravagant-transfer-spending By 35m euros, not a huge amount. That's going down to the championship plus coming within literally hours of administration for you. Coming back from that is expensive. It was also over 4 years ago, so irrelevant to current FFP situation. Edited July 14, 2023 by brummie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Diaby having the choice between Villa and Al-Nassr feels like it could be a watershed moment. Relatively sought after player in the peak of his career choosing Saudi over the PL would be massive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Selling your ground should also be a great ffp workaround also. What’s stopping a buy and leaseback and massively beneficial rates? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Just now, The Prophet said: Diaby having the choice between Villa and Al-Nassr feels like it could be a watershed moment. Relatively sought after player in the peak of his career choosing Saudi over the PL would be massive. Not really, he can go to the abyss like oscar he will be rich but forgotten. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Selling your ground should also be a great ffp workaround also. What’s stopping a buy and leaseback and massively beneficial rates? https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jan/16/derby-charged-breaching-financial-fair-play-rules-efl-football-league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Selling your ground should also be a great ffp workaround also. What’s stopping a buy and leaseback and massively beneficial rates? Because the Premier League judge sales like that and if they are at fair market value (like ours was), then all good. If it's at an inflated value - like Derby did - then you get done for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) I don't want to sell our ground pls thanks. Edited July 14, 2023 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Diaby having the choice between Villa and Al-Nassr feels like it could be a watershed moment. Relatively sought after player in the peak of his career choosing Saudi over the PL would be massive. People said that when Oscar went to China. I don’t think it says much apart from the fact that money talks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kocunar Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 7 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Diaby having the choice between Villa and Al-Nassr feels like it could be a watershed moment. Relatively sought after player in the peak of his career choosing Saudi over the PL would be massive. I mean would you rather play with Kings or Ronaldo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 7 minutes ago, brummie said: By 35m euros, not a huge amount. That's going down to the championship plus coming within literally hours of administration for you. Coming back from that is expensive. It was also over 4 years ago, so irrelevant to current FFP situation. Know it’s 4 years ago, and you’ve a good club with respect of selling players to cover costs, but the sale of your stadium meant you didn’t fail ffp and suffer disciplinary consequences (whatever those would be ?)- point being that you rode your luck a little and your ffp success isn’t all down to good judgement and planning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon88 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 It’s also not the end of the window. Villa, once they’ve done their incoming business, will shift their deadwood for substantial fees, instead of paying them off. They have an advantage over us, in that they will probably shift Traore, Archer, Sansom, Nakamba, Davis, and possibly Dendoncker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordJake Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I don't want to sell our ground pls thanks. We own the stadium not the ground. Leased off the council on a peppercorn rent of £1 on a 99 year rolling lease Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Just now, Toon88 said: It’s also not the end of the window. Villa, once they’ve done their incoming business, will shift their deadwood for substantial fees, instead of paying them off. They have an advantage over us, in that they will probably shift Traore, Archer, Sansom, Nakamba, Davis, and possibly Dendoncker. I think they’ve got around 100m room still (maybe more with sales) this year, but after this year they’ll either have keep selling and increase income another way in order to keep going at the rate they are. It’s clear the Grealish sale assisted massively and without it they wouldn’t be spending anywhere like they have done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Toon88 said: It’s also not the end of the window. Villa, once they’ve done their incoming business, will shift their deadwood for substantial fees, instead of paying them off. They have an advantage over us, in that they will probably shift Traore, Archer, Sansom, Nakamba, Davis, and possibly Dendoncker. We also have an FFP-proof option of selling some of our homegrown. Jacob Ramsey, Cameron Archer for example. Aaron Ramsey, Tim Iroegbunam, even players who have just been on loan in the championship fetch good money these days. It isn't a coincidence that when the new owners poured money in, they addressed a large chunk of it towards the youth and academy (we're building an inner city academy just next to Witton Station, spitting distance to the ground at the moment). TBF to Man City and Chelsea - and I don't like doing that - their owners also realised this, and trading homegrown players makes a huge difference to the FFP position of those clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Manxst said: I think they’ve got around 100m room still (maybe more with sales) this year, but after this year they’ll either have keep selling and increase income another way in order to keep going at the rate they are. It’s clear the Grealish sale assisted massively and without it they wouldn’t be spending anywhere like they have done. How do you think yours is going to be impacted, then, given you've spent almost 3 times as much in the last three years? Incidentally, you say "Without the Grealish sale" as if selling a home grown player for a ton of money is an exceptional event. Selling one for 100m is, yes, but that side of transfers is going to become more and more important. Selling 120m of homegrown players makes a difference because you can book the entire value in one window, whereas otherwise, spending is spread out across the length of the contract (see Chelsea and their insane 8 year contracts). Football is basically as much like Ultimate Team as the actual main game these days. Edited July 14, 2023 by brummie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 43 minutes ago, brummie said: I genuinely never thought a bad thing about Wolves, and they are in no way whatsoever considered a 'derby' by our fans, never have been, even though the grounds are 12-13 miles apart (there are a lot of clubs around these parts). Then when they got promoted their fans were constantly on about us, having finished above us for the first time in about 50 years with all this "mind the gap" shit, really bizarre. Obsessed with us (like Coventry, similar vibe). So now, they can go and fuck themselves. I remember when they used to play in front of less than 4k in the third division, the uppity wankers. You've basically described West Mids mackems tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Imagine how different the league would be right now if teams like us and Villa (even Everton to an extent) weren’t restricted in the spending that available Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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