joeyt Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Think Saudi clubs along with similarities to China and MLS is that they just don't have the history associated with them like the European and South American clubs do and throwing a lot of money at players in a few transfer windows won't change that overnight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Most of the Saudi clubs are unexpectedly old - Ittihad were founded in the 20s. It’s just that no one outside the country gives a shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 How exciting watching teams with a couple of "top" talents battling out against each other when they all share the same owner. No one will give a shite about their league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 If they want mass market adoption which is questionable, then the best money they could spend would be getting someone like scudamore to help build the league. That being said, I don’t think they are courting the western markets at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 12 minutes ago, KaKa said: Ah, see now this is the thing. If they stick to those restrictions then you may be right. Not sure they will though. I mean, you’d have to be sure they wouldn’t, if you think the below… 3 hours ago, KaKa said: Think most of the top players end up there eventually. And it becomes a version of the super league where they all battle against each other on various teams. And because so much top talent is there going against each other it will be incredibly popular. So presumably they (1) ditch the foreign player restrictions (2) ditch the smaller, provincial clubs and (3) create a handful of new clubs? So players and brands are even more interchangeable and meaningless and the supporters in the ground are even less engaged? I’m not convinced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, r0cafella said: If they want mass market adoption which is questionable, then the best money they could spend would be getting someone like scudamore to help build the league. That being said, I don’t think they are courting the western markets at all. Think they hired the ex Chelsea guy Emenalo to develop and build the league if I'm not mistaken. I'm not sure they are particularly concerned about Western markets like you say. Middle East, Africa and South American markets will likely be where they will get the majority interest from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) South Americans will watch it? Not sure about anywhere else but Brazilians seem fairly passionate about their own league. Guess if they watch any PL they can watch Saudi instead. Edited August 25, 2023 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: South Americans will watch it? Not sure about anywhere else but Brazilians seem fairly passionate about their own league. Guess if they watch any PL they can watch Saudi instead. I think if anymore of star Brazilian players are there they will. I end up watching leagues I don't particularly follow, mostly because I want to see any Nigerian players that are getting some buzz, and kind of get into it a bit more from there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 21 minutes ago, Nobody said: How exciting watching teams with a couple of "top" talents battling out against each other when they all share the same owner. No one will give a shite about their league. There's a big world out there outside of Europe man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Don’t Brazilians if they watch other Leagues, generally watch and support Benfica? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamPS Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 If anything it will be south Asia and parts of Africa that the Saudi league is flogged to: fans already watching foreign leagues and Saudi offers a slightly better time zone South American, US and European fans have their own leagues and interests already. But South Asia and Africa is a big big market! It’s all the Saudis need, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 1 minute ago, WilliamPS said: If anything it will be south Asia and parts of Africa that the Saudi league is flogged to: fans already watching foreign leagues and Saudi offers a slightly better time zone South American, US and European fans have their own leagues and interests already. But South Asia and Africa is a big big market! It’s all the Saudis need, Is there actually any money in the African market though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 15 minutes ago, Stifler said: Don’t Brazilians if they watch other Leagues, generally watch and support Benfica? Not sure, I know one why hates Portugal but she’s not really a football fan anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 20 minutes ago, SteV said: Is there actually any money in the African market though? Google it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 35 minutes ago, Stifler said: Don’t Brazilians if they watch other Leagues, generally watch and support Benfica? nope Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kocunar Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 51 minutes ago, Stifler said: Don’t Brazilians if they watch other Leagues, generally watch and support Benfica? I heard that Italians, if they watch other leagues, generally watch and support Scunthorpe United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 49 minutes ago, KaKa said: Google it. Can’t be arsed. You just tell me. You know you love it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Just now, SteV said: Can’t be arsed. You just tell me. You know you love it. No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 1 minute ago, KaKa said: No. This has been a wonderful and enlightening exchange for everyone involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Just now, SteV said: This has been a wonderful and enlightening exchange for everyone involved. Agreed. Thanks for the experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, SteV said: Is there actually any money in the African market though? 1 hour ago, KaKa said: Google it. https://www.sportspromedia.com/broadcast-ott/media-rights/premier-league-supersport-south-africa-2025-tv-rights-deal-extension/ Only figure mentioned (don’t know about the details) is £168M per year for the whole of sub-Saharan Africa - that was in 2017. Not insignificant. Current domestic deal is roughly 10x as much though. Looking at the domestic deals on Wiki, the closest comparable deal in terms of value is probably what Brazil pays for its own league (£171M per season). Edited August 25, 2023 by leffe186 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, leffe186 said: https://www.sportspromedia.com/broadcast-ott/media-rights/premier-league-supersport-south-africa-2025-tv-rights-deal-extension/ Only figure mentioned (don’t know about the details) is £168M per year for the whole of sub-Saharan Africa - that was in 2017. Not insignificant. Current domestic deal is roughly 10x as much though. Looking at the domestic deals on Wiki, the closest comparable deal in terms of value is probably what Brazil pays for its own league (£171M per season). Super Sport carries the rights across sub Saharan Africa, so they pay for the rights, yeah. Be interesting to know what other foreign regions pay for the Premier League rights, and how they compare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, KaKa said: Super Sport carries the rights across sub Saharan Africa, so they pay for the rights, yeah. Be interesting to know what other foreign regions pay for the Premier League rights, and how they compare. Roughly €50m per year in the nordics I think three years ago for the Premier League. *massive typo originally Edited August 25, 2023 by Flip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, KaKa said: Super Sport carries the rights across sub Saharan Africa, so they pay for the rights, yeah. Be interesting to know what other foreign regions pay for the Premier League rights, and how they compare. If we’re looking at what “Africa” might pay for the Saudi league, it would be more instructive to know what they pay for other leagues tbh. Edited August 25, 2023 by leffe186 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 18 hours ago, Pata said: I added Saudi league to my leagues in Flashscore. Same. Mainly to laugh at Stevie meee and cheer on Maxi though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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