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The College Dropout

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Tielemans and co. have poor resale value because their wages are so high (excluding Kamara) and/or they’re getting on. 
 

Like I said - you seem to be moving away from the Carlos, Moreno, Digne type transfers. Those have poor resale value. Tielemans has poor resale value because nobody else in Europe would pay his wages and a fee. I’m talking purely financially. 
 

Im on record saying that the Barnes transfer doesn’t make sense financially.  It’s a heck of a lot of money for a player to sit on the bench. 
 

As I keep saying. You can do that because you have a great academy to sell. We can’t do that so we’ve largely avoided signing players 26+. We have to consider resale. 

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With frees I guess you accept you pay over the odds in signing bonus/wages, but of course you save on the big upfront cost of a transfer fee.

 

When selling you then might get less to subsidise the player losing relatively high wages (assuming they leave to take a step down), but you've already benefitted from a lower initial fee.

 

Even if you're paying an extra £50,000 per week on wages, say, that's still only £10,000,000 over 4 years. Can probably more than offset that on a good players by selling them, even if you take a slightly reduced fee due to the high wages.

 

Basically, if you sign someone decent on a free you're probably fine. If you sign Jeff Hendrick god help you.

 

 

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Saying what I’ve said about Barnes. We could probably get our money for him this summer or next. Which would be an FFP profit. And again - that transfer didn’t make sense to me. 
 

Tielemans is on a reported £175k per week salary.  Nobody in Europe will pay a fee for him. And he drags up the wage structure. What does McGinn or Luiz get if Tielemans is on 175k and Kamara is similar?

 

 

These are sentiments I’ve shared about Tosin and Kelly.  

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13 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Tielemans and co. have poor resale value because their wages are so high (excluding Kamara) and/or they’re getting on. 
 

Like I said - you seem to be moving away from the Carlos, Moreno, Digne type transfers. Those have poor resale value. Tielemans has poor resale value because nobody else in Europe would pay his wages and a fee. I’m talking purely financially. 
 

Im on record saying that the Barnes transfer doesn’t make sense financially.  It’s a heck of a lot of money for a player to sit on the bench. 
 

As I keep saying. You can do that because you have a great academy to sell. We can’t do that so we’ve largely avoided signing players 26+. We have to consider resale. 

I feel like you're maybe not taking into account the value of just being a good football team. Successful teams get more TV money, sponsorship money, prize money, merchandise money, might be able to charge more for tickets etc. Just more supporters in general, which is how teams make much of their cash.

 

If the extra Villa spent on some of their guys with relatively low resale value [assuming this is the case] gets them Champions League then it's money worth spending.

 

Same as Trippier for us. His resale value isn't what made him such a good transfer. Actually just being good and making your team better now is also quite useful and has indirect financial benefits.

 

 

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Villa finished 4th. What they are doing is working on the pitch. And they have enough to make it work off the pitch. 
 

However - with financial limitations signing older players and players with inflated wages is a poor tactic for financial viability in this era. I don’t suspect they’ll sign many more Diego Carlos, Luca Digne type players (28/29 for fairly big fees) going forward. Don’t watch Villa enough to talk about their ability. 

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1 hour ago, leffe186 said:

Sounded like you guys agreed it was a good idea. Is there another discussion somewhere else where he’s been dismissed?

 

I guess I thought the consensus was different than that.

 

Although to be fair I stopped reading when someone was suggesting Barkley being a Bruno replacement, even late in games. :lol: 

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1 hour ago, brummie said:

For clarity - Tielemans cost £0, Harvey Barnes cost £38m. Tielemans is a whopping 7 months older than Barnes.

 

I appreciate Tielemans will have a higher salary because that's what happens with free transfers, but I am sure Barnes isn't on poverty wages.

 

So if Tielemans is a bad signing in terms of future options, what does that make Barnes at 38m more?

 

No one costs £0. 

 

It's hard to know for sure in the murky world of free transfers but Tielemans costs you ~£9-10m per year.

 

Barnes costs us ~£12m per year.

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23 minutes ago, cubaricho said:

 

I guess I thought the consensus was different than that.

 

Although to be fair I stopped reading when someone was suggesting Barkley being a Bruno replacement, even late in games. :lol: 

 

That's because you've likely not watched Luton play this season or paid any attention to how Barkley was being used, and so it was probably the right move for you to exit the conversation. 

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2 hours ago, brummie said:

 

We, and you, are going to have to work the system.

 

Our (ours and yours) fans are going to have to realise it will be about smart transfer moves, too, not just spunking money everywhere.

 

Also, I've seen Barkley play for us already.

 

TBF, I reckon Emery could turn me into a decent PL player, and I can't run further than the end of the road.

 

Yeah, exactly. 

 

Regarding Barkley, remind me, did you guys ever play him in central midfield proper like Luton have this season, where he's been initiating their play from deep?

 

It's been quite the transformation for him playing in that part of the pitch. 

 

Reminds me of when Benfica did similar with Taarabt a few years ago, which was just as surprisingly effective.

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4 minutes ago, gbandit said:

It’s a very astute signing, going into a CL campaign. It makes a lot less sense for us with our best outcome being Europa Conference 

 

People aren't watching any of these players man. Just going off of previous reputations.

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He doesn't strengthen Villa's first team so  can't be a bad thing. Aye, he pads them out a bit but I'd still take our midfield 6/7 over theirs at the moment. 

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Just now, nufc123 said:

Thats two 50-100m signings sorted for City. Well played.

They are exceptional. One day lads

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