joeyt Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 Always find it a bit sad when a smaller team has an exceptional season and then their talent gets picked off almost immediately. Like Bologna losing their manager and one of their best players to Juve and Man Utd respectively Other examples I can think of are Monaco and Ajax when they did really well in the CL. Leicester and Southampton to a lesser extent. And it looks like it's happening to Girona now too Obviously it's the nature of business and it's been happening for a long time but it ruins any sort of romanticism for the fans. Like imagine being a Bologna fan having their best season for ages and then spend the summer losing their manager and top player. Just think it's a bit shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 (edited) Diaby has been canny for Villa hasn't he? Weird how they're shifting so many first teamers after qualifying for the CL. Feel like they're going to drop a lot on one or two superstars shortly. Edited July 12, 2024 by Dr.Spaceman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 8 hours ago, relámpago blanco said: They want Almiron but he won't go. Same with Wilson I think Not even sure they still want Almiron tbh, that's all gone a bit quiet. If it was that club Gerrard manages, I thought I read that they were looking elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 11 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Diaby has been canny for Villa hasn't he? Weird how they're shifting so many first teamers after qualifying for the CL. Feel like they're going to drop a lot on one or two superstars shortly. For a large period he was barely playing and wasn't doing very much. Source: had him in my fantasy team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 1 minute ago, Froggy said: For a large period he was barely playing and wasn't doing very much. Source: had him in my fantasy team. 6 goals and 8 assists is canny if he wasn't playing that much! I just remember the annoyance that he went to Villa when we were seemingly in the running for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 15 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Diaby has been canny for Villa hasn't he? Weird how they're shifting so many first teamers after qualifying for the CL. Feel like they're going to drop a lot on one or two superstars shortly. Was ok. Lost his place in the team for periods to Bailey. It's taken Bailey 2-3 years to really show his ability in the PL and I suspect it may take Diaby the same time. Diaby had interest from Saudi last season but chose Villa. Vila's PSR issues mean they have to make tough decisions. £50m would put them in a amortisation profit but not significantly so. Probably another 6-8m on wages too though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 4 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: 6 goals and 8 assists is canny if he wasn't playing that much! I just remember the annoyance that he went to Villa when we were seemingly in the running for him. 55m euro winger though. That's ok for a first season. Bailey got 19 G/A in the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: 55m euro winger though. That's ok for a first season. Bailey got 19 G/A in the PL. Wasn’t he 40/45 million who was considered a flop in his first season ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 8 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Wasn’t he 40/45 million who was considered a flop in his first season ? Bailey? Think he was less. Think he missed a lot through injury. Was better the next season but not incredibly so which was why they signed Diaby. Then really kicked on last season. Bailey, Diaby etc. all clearly talented footballers but sometimes things don't gel together for a player, or takes a little time or is a bad fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 Diaby is clearly a very talented player but I think the reason why we didn't pursue him - other than the cost - was there were question marks about his work rate. Very good going forward, not so good tracking back. That might be one of the reasons he wasn't starting regularly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 34 minutes ago, TRon said: Diaby is clearly a very talented player but I think the reason why we didn't pursue him - other than the cost - was there were question marks about his work rate. Very good going forward, not so good tracking back. That might be one of the reasons he wasn't starting regularly. Didn't really produce going forward either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 1 hour ago, Froggy said: I actually thought Donny was in the final year of his contract and was going to leave for free in the summer. So aye, happy with the deal. He'd have left for free previously. That transfer has probably cost like £56m and he has been totally ruined, appeared 35 times in 4 years in the prem and is a shell. Not sure how anyone can be happy with that deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 (edited) 17 minutes ago, TaylorJ_01 said: That transfer has probably cost like £56m and he has been totally ruined, appeared 35 times in 4 years in the prem and is a shell. Not sure how anyone can be happy with that deal. You're missing the point, and once again using hindsight as a means to an end. Had we signed him and played him and then a year later sold him for 500k, then aye fair enough. But as you said, he's been ruined, is a shell, and is just dead space on the squad and in wages. He was out on loan with options to buy and we had no takers. Was fully expected that he would leave the club for free once his contract ran out. Now we've got a guaranteed half million up front, 4/5m in add ons which Romano suggests are easily achievable and will be paid barring injury, and a further 9/10m on top of that if he actually rediscovers his form from 19/20 and plays well. He didn't exist to us anymore. Just £7m a year disappearing down the wage hole. Fairly baffling how people can't see how we'd be happy with it to be honest. I can't believe we got a fee at all. Edited July 12, 2024 by Froggy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 (edited) I am just amazed that they can take such a talent and reduce it to £400k when he's still 27. It's an awful, awful result. Sure, regaining some cash is better than not getting any at all, but it literally pays Rashford for 1 week, it's effectively zero in today's world of football. The add-ons aren't guaranteed and, with Girona's links to Man City, I'm fairly sure they'll wriggle their way out of most if not all of the add-ons. If he has a decent season at Girona, Man Utd buying him back for £30m would be so on brand. Edited July 12, 2024 by TaylorJ_01 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 2 hours ago, Froggy said: I actually thought Donny was in the final year of his contract and was going to leave for free in the summer. So aye, happy with the deal. He'd have left for free previously. So what exactly was the deal with this guy? Because it seems he was never really given a fair go, right from the outset. Completely destroyed the guy's confidence and career man. My God. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 11 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: Weren't we linked with him during the first post-takeover window? Yeah, we wanted him, and he chose to go to Everton I believe, due to how precarious our position looked at the time. Massive disaster of a decision for him. Remembering how good he was at Ajax, I think Howe could have really been good for him, and he would have suited one of the number 8 positions in our setup. Really strange how a number of players from that Ajax team didn't really push on. I was convinced Dolberg was going to the very top as a striker. And even De Jong has lost his way a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 That Ajex team really didn't go on to do a lot as individuals. Compared to that Monaco team at least (Mbappe, Bernardo, Fabinho etc.). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 53 minutes ago, KaKa said: So what exactly was the deal with this guy? Because it seems he was never really given a fair go, right from the outset. Completely destroyed the guy's confidence and career man. My God. Ole just never wanted him and then subsequent managers never trusted him. He's maybe just not very good. Career completely ruined at us though aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 I feel Man Utd buy expensive attacking midfielders to play behind the striker but their best player is Bruno Fernandes who plays best in that position. The Mount transfer last summer didn't make much sense anyway but especially as he wants to play in Bruno's position Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 14 minutes ago, joeyt said: I feel Man Utd buy expensive attacking midfielders to play behind the striker but their best player is Bruno Fernandes who plays best in that position. The Mount transfer last summer didn't make much sense anyway but especially as he wants to play in Bruno's position But we literally have nobody else who can play there. You can't have only one player in a position if you want to be successful. We've been very lucky that Fernandes is extremely robust but you need to have a backup plan if he isn't available. With no Mount that's probably McTominay who isn't good enough. Mount can and has played three or four other positions as well so the signing made sense from a quality depth point of view. I think you'll see a lot more from him this year if he can stay injury free. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 3 hours ago, joeyt said: Always find it a bit sad when a smaller team has an exceptional season and then their talent gets picked off almost immediately. Like Bologna losing their manager and one of their best players to Juve and Man Utd respectively Other examples I can think of are Monaco and Ajax when they did really well in the CL. Leicester and Southampton to a lesser extent. And it looks like it's happening to Girona now too Obviously it's the nature of business and it's been happening for a long time but it ruins any sort of romanticism for the fans. Like imagine being a Bologna fan having their best season for ages and then spend the summer losing their manager and top player. Just think it's a bit shit Crystal Palace could get torn apart this summer as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweMag Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 35 minutes ago, Froggy said: But we literally have nobody else who can play there. You can't have only one player in a position if you want to be successful. We've been very lucky that Fernandes is extremely robust but you need to have a backup plan if he isn't available. With no Mount that's probably McTominay who isn't good enough. Mount can and has played three or four other positions as well so the signing made sense from a quality depth point of view. I think you'll see a lot more from him this year if he can stay injury free. Did they pay £55m + £5m in potential add-ons for a player with one year left on his contract, gave him a wage of £250k/w (incl. bonuses) when their best player already plays in that position? Seems like a strange transfer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 2 minutes ago, SweMag said: Did they pay £55m + £5m in potential add-ons for a player with one year left on his contract, gave him a wage of £250k/w (incl. bonuses) when their best player already plays in that position? Seems like a strange transfer. No I think it was more as a replacement for Eriksen. The vision was Casemiro, Mount and Fernandes, but Mount is capable of playing in many positions if required. Mainoo is obviously the best midfielder in history now, so Mount is a backup to three or four positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 4 hours ago, joeyt said: Always find it a bit sad when a smaller team has an exceptional season and then their talent gets picked off almost immediately. Like Bologna losing their manager and one of their best players to Juve and Man Utd respectively Other examples I can think of are Monaco and Ajax when they did really well in the CL. Leicester and Southampton to a lesser extent. And it looks like it's happening to Girona now too Obviously it's the nature of business and it's been happening for a long time but it ruins any sort of romanticism for the fans. Like imagine being a Bologna fan having their best season for ages and then spend the summer losing their manager and top player. Just think it's a bit shit Bologna also look like they are losing Califiori to Arsenal and lost Ferguson to a ACL just before the summer. Wouldn’t be surprised if someone can in for that Swiss lad who had a great Euros too (Abischer?? Italiano is a great replacement for Motta but they will need to strike gold on their scouting again it seems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobsonsWonderland Posted July 12, 2024 Share Posted July 12, 2024 1 hour ago, Froggy said: No I think it was more as a replacement for Eriksen. The vision was Casemiro, Mount and Fernandes, but Mount is capable of playing in many positions if required. Mainoo is obviously the best midfielder in history now, so Mount is a backup to three or four positions. It's strange to think Mount was Southgates golden boy only a year ago... Was he actually that good or was he over hyped by the media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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