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Saudi teams will get into Champion’s League/ UEFA competitions,

I’m sure of it.

 

Money/ promises of lucrative executive positions in the Saudi League talks and I can’t see UEFA officials resisting that. 

 

What that will mean for FFP though I don’t know.  I wonder whether the Saudi Teams would get a 5 year grace period where they avoid FFP restrictions for example. Or a sliding scale of compliance over time. 
 

Once again, individual greed will trump common sense.

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4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I mean, they aren’t in Europe. Why should they compete in European competition? 


Israeli teams do already and Israel isn’t in Europe. The precedent is there. 

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Just now, Kanji said:

Nah, the actual reason they can’t compete is they aren’t even a UEFA nation :lol: the rest is obv true too 

 

If it was in UEFA's interests to invite members of the Saudi Pro League into their competitions, continental definition would suddenly become very arbitrary imo. And as others have said, there's already a precedent with Israel and Kazakhstan.

 

Again, not saying I'd be in favour of it, just discussing the hypothetical strategies. 

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40 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

KSA’s league would still need to justify the expenditure in some way or form.  Paying 10x what European clubs will play to persuade a player to sign isn’t sustainable, as the revenue streams won’t ever exist to meet that.  So it becomes a case of how long the KSA govt wants to prop this up.  Maybe that is forever; I doubt it, though. 

It’s largely the same situation with us btw. They will not make all of their money back. 

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Just now, Yorkie said:

 

If it was in UEFA's interests to invite members of the Saudi Pro League into their competitions, continental definition would suddenly become very arbitrary imo. And as others have said, there's already a precedent with Israel and Kazakhstan.

 

Again, not saying I'd be in favour of it, just discussing the hypothetical strategies. 


Had no idea they were in uefa comp!

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There's a half-decent reason why Israel and Israeli clubs affiliate to UEFA, which is that a decent quantity of AFC nations don't recognize either their state or their passports (the latter being the case with Saudi Arabia). Were a Saudi club drawn against in Israeli club in the Conference League, at least one leg would be getting played on neutral ground.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

It’s largely the same situation with us btw. They will not make all of their money back. 

They will make money on us eventually, in terms of the Saudi league absolutely they will lose boatloads, fortunately for them it doesn’t matter. 
 

let’s just hope these players are smart enough to get the salary paid in USD to an account offshore. 

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Just now, enthusiast said:

There's a half-decent reason for Israel and Israeli clubs affiliate to UEFA, which is that a decent quantity of AFC nations don't recognize either their state or their passports (the latter being the case with Saudi Arabia). Were a Saudi club drawn against in Israeli club in the Conference League, at least one leg would be getting played on neutral ground.

Nah the reason is largely political. No other excluded nation would be invited to UEFA. 

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3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

You’ve never heard of Maccaibi Haifa? Tel Aviv? Or seen Israel at the Euros?


i have - had; just haven’t really thought about Champions League or other club Euro comps in ages in detail outside of the major sides. I’ve nearly deleted all euro comps from my mind when we’ve been shit. Don’t even recall Israel at the euros but that’s not a slight on them - just being forgetful. 

 

 

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Just now, r0cafella said:

They will make money on us eventually, in terms of the Saudi league absolutely they will lose boatloads, fortunately for them it doesn’t matter. 
 

let’s just hope these players are smart enough to get the salary paid in USD to an account offshore. 

No they won’t. 
 

Expanded stadium.  Training facilities. Women’s team.  Youth team. And they are just moving money around with the Sela sponsorship- there will be more. They ain’t making it all back.  

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Just now, The College Dropout said:

No they won’t. 
 

Expanded stadium.  Training facilities. Women’s team.  Youth team. And they are just moving money around with the Sela sponsorship- there will be more. They ain’t making it all back.  

Let’s see, man united is going for 6b. 

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You don’t make it all back unless you sell the club and exit. If we sold 10 years with improved facilities (new training ground and expanded stadium) and revenues multiplied over many many years of new commercial deals, a fit for purpose playing and coaching and support staff….the owners are making money. To suggest otherwise is absurd. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

Let’s see, man united is going for 6b. 

We aren’t Man U. 
 

Even if Roman pocketed the Chelsea money he wasn’t going to make his money back. City’s owners won’t make their money back.  
 

Aye our valuation will skyrocket.  But all in it won’t be financially profitable. 
 

We should know this is a soft power play by Saudi. Owners that are in it for money move like FSG or the Glazers (no crazy investment) or Todd (trying to revolutionise the game). 

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29 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

I think the Saudi Pro-League stands a chance of gaining a meaningful European audience if some of their teams start competing in UEFA competitions. I'd wager that, as it stands, none of the teams mean anything to the vast majority of people - certainly in terms of the British audience. As long as that's the case, it'll never gain sustainable interest, regardless of which players turn up there. I'd even argue that the casual observer would have difficulty telling teams apart given most of them start 'Al-' and all of the squads seem to have the same mix; i.e. predominantly Saudi with a few South American unknowns and a few household names doing the payday thing.

 

My assumption is that UEFA would resist any attempts from Saudi to enter the UCL or Europa competitions, but - then again - they could consider an 'enemies closer' approach. Rather than keep them at arms length whilst there's a growing perception that the Saudi Pro League is on the up; let them in, have them get routinely battered by Croatian sides and Swedish sides, thereby emphasising the hierarchy. 

 

Should be interesting over the next few years, whatever happens, but there definitely needs to be more to their strategy then just player recruitment. If it wasn't Saudi I'd be wishing them all the luck in the world; a proper agitator to get UEFA sweating could breed some positive outcomes, who knows?

 

Whilst it would be very Liverpool, I believe clubs should protest any Saudi team being invited to the CL. They're not European.

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Just now, The College Dropout said:

We aren’t Man U. 
 

Even if Roman pocketed the Chelsea money he wasn’t going to make his money back. City’s owners won’t make their money back.  
 

Aye our valuation will skyrocket.  But all in it won’t be financially profitable. 
 

We should know this is a soft power play by Saudi. Owners that are in it for money move like FSG or the Glazers (no crazy investment) or Todd (trying to revolutionise the game). 

We certainly aren’t Man united at this point but In 15 years time we can be bigger. Also regarding Chelsea that was very much a distressed asset sale. 
 

Anyways who knows what the future holds let me get back on topic. 

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