Astroblack Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Carragher talking sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 About to slag us off on Sky in a couple minutes. Thanks for the warning, was just about to stick it on. Wasn't too bad tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Still think people are ignoring the fact that our ball retention was the worst it’s been in a long time. Players learn how to pass and we would have had a lot more of the ball. It wasn’t tactical to have so little possession. Aye i commented during the game how Ritchie and Murphy at the time had no awareness of players around them and kept losing the ball, chuck in Ki and Mo playing sloppy balls as well. Rafa himself said after the game we had to keep the ball better, it wasn't a let them have it back as soon as we get it thing, just poor play from us in possession a fair bit. Diame has not started the season well and I hope he's not going back to his old ways. Aye, i can see a Ki/Shelvey pairing as we go on if Mo carries on the way he is. He's still getting stuck in but his use of the ball is so poor, mind you he's not alone in that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Conveniently failed to mention that if the referee's got the calls right wolves would have lost and we would have drawn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Still think people are ignoring the fact that our ball retention was the worst it’s been in a long time. Players learn how to pass and we would have had a lot more of the ball. It wasn’t tactical to have so little possession. Aye i commented during the game how Ritchie and Murphy at the time had no awareness of players around them and kept losing the ball, chuck in Ki and Mo playing sloppy balls as well. Rafa himself said after the game we had to keep the ball better, it wasn't a let them have it back as soon as we get it thing, just poor play from us in possession a fair bit. Diame has not started the season well and I hope he's not going back to his old ways. He is what he is, a limited player who cost relative peanuts. He's actually done a decent job for us breaking play up, but you aren't going to get a midfielder who can do that and then spray the ball around for £5m. Just one of the areas we really did need an upgrade in quality, and I don't dislike him as a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Still think people are ignoring the fact that our ball retention was the worst it’s been in a long time. Players learn how to pass and we would have had a lot more of the ball. It wasn’t tactical to have so little possession. Aye i commented during the game how Ritchie and Murphy at the time had no awareness of players around them and kept losing the ball, chuck in Ki and Mo playing sloppy balls as well. Rafa himself said after the game we had to keep the ball better, it wasn't a let them have it back as soon as we get it thing, just poor play from us in possession a fair bit. Diame has not started the season well and I hope he's not going back to his old ways. Aye. i can see a Ki/Shelvey pairing as we go on if Mo carries on the way he is. He's still getting stuck in but his use of the ball is so poor, mind you he's not alone in that. You're right but I don't see Ki as the answer either to be honest - can't complain on a free transfer but he is just a meh signing really - it's where we are at though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Still think people are ignoring the fact that our ball retention was the worst it’s been in a long time. Players learn how to pass and we would have had a lot more of the ball. It wasn’t tactical to have so little possession. Aye i commented during the game how Ritchie and Murphy at the time had no awareness of players around them and kept losing the ball, chuck in Ki and Mo playing sloppy balls as well. Rafa himself said after the game we had to keep the ball better, it wasn't a let them have it back as soon as we get it thing, just poor play from us in possession a fair bit. Diame has not started the season well and I hope he's not going back to his old ways. He is what he is, a limited player who cost relative peanuts. He's actually done a decent job for us breaking play up, but you aren't going to get a midfielder who can do that and then spray the ball around for £5m. Just one of the areas we really did need an upgrade in quality, and I don't dislike him as a player. I thought second half of the season he was excellent and looked a 20 million plus player but you're right he's not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Still think people are ignoring the fact that our ball retention was the worst it’s been in a long time. Players learn how to pass and we would have had a lot more of the ball. It wasn’t tactical to have so little possession. Aye i commented during the game how Ritchie and Murphy at the time had no awareness of players around them and kept losing the ball, chuck in Ki and Mo playing sloppy balls as well. Rafa himself said after the game we had to keep the ball better, it wasn't a let them have it back as soon as we get it thing, just poor play from us in possession a fair bit. Diame has not started the season well and I hope he's not going back to his old ways. Aye. i can see a Ki/Shelvey pairing as we go on if Mo carries on the way he is. He's still getting stuck in but his use of the ball is so poor, mind you he's not alone in that. You're right but I don't see Ki as the answer either to be honest - can't complain on a free transfer but he is just a meh signing really - it's where we are at though. Yeah we needed to spend, even the amount we brought in but as you say it's where we are. So frustrating as you can see we're so close with a little ambition and common sense. (Obviously sloth has to sell up for that to happen) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Conveniently failed to mention that if the referee's got the calls right wolves would have lost and we would have drawn. 10 - 20 year ago that tackle would have not been giving by any referee but unfortunately now the so called 'scissor tackle' as they were referring to would get nearly every referee giving it as a penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 About to slag us off on Sky in a couple minutes. Thanks for the warning, was just about to stick it on. Wasn't too bad tbf. Yeah thought it was fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Conveniently failed to mention that if the referee's got the calls right wolves would have lost and we would have drawn. 10 - 20 year ago that tackle would have not been giving by any referee but unfortunately now the so called 'scissor tackle' as they were referring to would get nearly every referee giving it as a penalty. Loads of them won't be given though, against us they will obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Still think people are ignoring the fact that our ball retention was the worst it’s been in a long time. Players learn how to pass and we would have had a lot more of the ball. It wasn’t tactical to have so little possession. Aye i commented during the game how Ritchie and Murphy at the time had no awareness of players around them and kept losing the ball, chuck in Ki and Mo playing sloppy balls as well. Rafa himself said after the game we had to keep the ball better, it wasn't a let them have it back as soon as we get it thing, just poor play from us in possession a fair bit. Diame has not started the season well and I hope he's not going back to his old ways. Aye. i can see a Ki/Shelvey pairing as we go on if Mo carries on the way he is. He's still getting stuck in but his use of the ball is so poor, mind you he's not alone in that. You're right but I don't see Ki as the answer either to be honest - can't complain on a free transfer but he is just a meh signing really - it's where we are at though. Yeah we needed to spend, even the amount we brought in but as you say it's where we are. So frustrating as you can see we're so close with a little ambition and common sense. (Obviously sloth has to sell up for that to happen) Never going to happen without massive changes and the only way I can see it will is a mass boycott by fans not going (and I'm talking 000s). Maybe happen when Rafa departs this Summer and if we are relegated but even then I'm not convinced. It's an impossible situation currently really and the fans themselves are starting to argue more and more between themselves as to tactics, signings etc etc due to the current state this club is in thanks to Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Still think people are ignoring the fact that our ball retention was the worst it’s been in a long time. Players learn how to pass and we would have had a lot more of the ball. It wasn’t tactical to have so little possession. Aye i commented during the game how Ritchie and Murphy at the time had no awareness of players around them and kept losing the ball, chuck in Ki and Mo playing sloppy balls as well. Rafa himself said after the game we had to keep the ball better, it wasn't a let them have it back as soon as we get it thing, just poor play from us in possession a fair bit. Diame has not started the season well and I hope he's not going back to his old ways. Aye. i can see a Ki/Shelvey pairing as we go on if Mo carries on the way he is. He's still getting stuck in but his use of the ball is so poor, mind you he's not alone in that. You're right but I don't see Ki as the answer either to be honest - can't complain on a free transfer but he is just a meh signing really - it's where we are at though. Nothing against any of our summer signings, they all look like they could do a job, but none of them have really took us forward. Ki and Rondon feel like squad fillers not game changers. Schar and Fernandez likewise, they look like decent signings, but it's a squad built for survival and covering our bases rather than kicking on and aiming to go anywhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Still think people are ignoring the fact that our ball retention was the worst it’s been in a long time. Players learn how to pass and we would have had a lot more of the ball. It wasn’t tactical to have so little possession. Aye i commented during the game how Ritchie and Murphy at the time had no awareness of players around them and kept losing the ball, chuck in Ki and Mo playing sloppy balls as well. Rafa himself said after the game we had to keep the ball better, it wasn't a let them have it back as soon as we get it thing, just poor play from us in possession a fair bit. Diame has not started the season well and I hope he's not going back to his old ways. Aye. i can see a Ki/Shelvey pairing as we go on if Mo carries on the way he is. He's still getting stuck in but his use of the ball is so poor, mind you he's not alone in that. You're right but I don't see Ki as the answer either to be honest - can't complain on a free transfer but he is just a meh signing really - it's where we are at though. Nothing against any of our summer signings, they all look like they could do a job, but none of them have really took us forward. Ki and Rondon feel like squad fillers not game changers. Schar and Fernandez likewise, they look like decent signings, but it's a squad built for survival and covering our bases rather than kicking on and aiming to go anywhere. Agreed unfortunately and it will never change whilst that arsehole is involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Yep - Rafa even said they have improved the squad but not really the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morla84 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Still think people are ignoring the fact that our ball retention was the worst it’s been in a long time. Players learn how to pass and we would have had a lot more of the ball. It wasn’t tactical to have so little possession. Aye i commented during the game how Ritchie and Murphy at the time had no awareness of players around them and kept losing the ball, chuck in Ki and Mo playing sloppy balls as well. Rafa himself said after the game we had to keep the ball better, it wasn't a let them have it back as soon as we get it thing, just poor play from us in possession a fair bit. Diame has not started the season well and I hope he's not going back to his old ways. Aye. i can see a Ki/Shelvey pairing as we go on if Mo carries on the way he is. He's still getting stuck in but his use of the ball is so poor, mind you he's not alone in that. You're right but I don't see Ki as the answer either to be honest - can't complain on a free transfer but he is just a meh signing really - it's where we are at though. Nothing against any of our summer signings, they all look like they could do a job, but none of them have really took us forward. Ki and Rondon feel like squad fillers not game changers. Schar and Fernandez likewise, they look like decent signings, but it's a squad built for survival and covering our bases rather than kicking on and aiming to go anywhere. Agreed. As Rafa said on Friday, we've improved the squad, but remains to be seen whether we've improved the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Regardless of the tactics yesterday, we didn't keep the ball well enough and I think Ki needs to come in for Diame. The latter has lost his pizzazz which made him such an asset going forward as well as defensively last season. Those tight, ambitious forward passes were finding team-mates with astonishing regularity last season, but nowt's really coming off for him now. Hopefully the dream duo that led Swansea City to that famous 12th-place finish in 2013/14 gets an opportunity to rekindle that form for 2018's NUFC. Truly exciting times ahead, whichever way you look at it. :thup: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Heady days Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Still think people are ignoring the fact that our ball retention was the worst it’s been in a long time. Players learn how to pass and we would have had a lot more of the ball. It wasn’t tactical to have so little possession. Aye i commented during the game how Ritchie and Murphy at the time had no awareness of players around them and kept losing the ball, chuck in Ki and Mo playing sloppy balls as well. Rafa himself said after the game we had to keep the ball better, it wasn't a let them have it back as soon as we get it thing, just poor play from us in possession a fair bit. Diame has not started the season well and I hope he's not going back to his old ways. Aye. i can see a Ki/Shelvey pairing as we go on if Mo carries on the way he is. He's still getting stuck in but his use of the ball is so poor, mind you he's not alone in that. You're right but I don't see Ki as the answer either to be honest - can't complain on a free transfer but he is just a meh signing really - it's where we are at though. Yeah we needed to spend, even the amount we brought in but as you say it's where we are. So frustrating as you can see we're so close with a little ambition and common sense. (Obviously sloth has to sell up for that to happen) Never going to happen without massive changes and the only way I can see it will is a mass boycott by fans not going (and I'm talking 000s). Maybe happen when Rafa departs this Summer and if we are relegated but even then I'm not convinced. It's an impossible situation currently really and the fans themselves are starting to argue more and more between themselves as to tactics, signings etc etc due to the current state this club is in thanks to Ashley. As I suggested on another thread only long term visit to the lower leagues will see the end of Ashley. Mass boycott wont happen and will make zero difference anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Would Rafa ever go to Manure, or is the Liverpool connection going to finish that idea immediately? Man U would never even dream of it, wrong type of manager, and definitely with the wrong pedigree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 They want someone with more style and suave like Zidane. We're safe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 All about opinions and that, but people having a go at Rafa for the Chelsea game, i just don't get them. The tactics were working before a poor referee decision, Chelsea couldn't break us down and that long range effort showed they were getting frustrated. I think some people just won't accept defensive tactics full stop, even when they are working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Fat Sam's Everton never had a shot on target for about 4 games and he gets lorded as a defensive mastermind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgk_lfc Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Would Rafa ever go to Manure, or is the Liverpool connection going to finish that idea immediately? You have a higher chance of being hired as the Manure manager than Rafa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Anyone remember when we played for a point against hapless Derby Coonty? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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