Rafa Benítez (now unemployed)

[Robster]

Pre match conference should be interesting.

[Robster]

Pre match conference should be interesting.

Nah, it'll be the usual professional approach IMHO.

Yeah, you're probably right.

I'm at the stage where I want him to snap and to tell the world about all the bullshit Ashley spoke last night.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Rafa is content personally and professionally these days, if he gets 20-30m to spend over and above what he has had to spend say most windows, full control of who goes and who we sign and the ability to if need be blow the whole budget on one player foe example and also see moderate improvements in facilities, he will sign on the dotted line tomorrow.

 

We have in Rafa the KK we signed from Southampton as a player. It’s still better than anything we could ever hope for under Ashley, but it’s basically a happy shopper version of Rafa. He will sign a new deal in January, Ashley will spend 30m + and all will be good. But off the field, we will still be a million miles off our rivals and will always have to rely on Rafa pulling a rabbit out just to stay up.

 

For the good of the club long-term, Rafa has to go.

[Altamullan]

Some phrase involving a nose and a face springs to mind.

[Wilson]

Punch Mike Ashley's nose off his face?

[Altamullan]

Punch Mike Ashley's nose off his face?

That’s a better one ☝️ 

[Tubestationatmidnight]

Rafa is content personally and professionally these days, if he gets 20-30m to spend over and above what he has had to spend say most windows, full control of who goes and who we sign and the ability to if need be blow the whole budget on one player foe example and also see moderate improvements in facilities, he will sign on the dotted line tomorrow.

 

We have in Rafa the KK we signed from Southampton as a player. It’s still better than anything we could ever hope for under Ashley, but it’s basically a happy shopper version of Rafa. He will sign a new deal in January, Ashley will spend 30m + and all will be good. But off the field, we will still be a million miles off our rivals and will always have to rely on Rafa pulling a rabbit out just to stay up.

 

For the good of the club long-term, Rafa has to go.

 

It's like reading myself from 3 months ago

 

People thinking Rafa wants a load of money and for us to be knocking on the the door of the top 6 to stay are wrong. I reckon he would happily stay with an extra 10/15 million per window than what we have spent now and just enough to be out the bottom 6. He's already shown he's happy to sack off the cups an all

[Shearergol]

Rafa is content personally and professionally these days, if he gets 20-30m to spend over and above what he has had to spend say most windows, full control of who goes and who we sign and the ability to if need be blow the whole budget on one player foe example and also see moderate improvements in facilities, he will sign on the dotted line tomorrow.

 

We have in Rafa the KK we signed from Southampton as a player. It’s still better than anything we could ever hope for under Ashley, but it’s basically a happy shopper version of Rafa. He will sign a new deal in January, Ashley will spend 30m + and all will be good. But off the field, we will still be a million miles off our rivals and will always have to rely on Rafa pulling a rabbit out just to stay up.

 

For the good of the club long-term, Rafa has to go.

 

It's like reading myself from 3 months ago

 

People thinking Rafa wants a load of money and for us to be knocking on the the door of the top 6 to stay are wrong. I reckon he would happily stay with an extra 10/15 million per window than what we have spent now and just enough to be out the bottom 6. He's already shown he's happy to sack off the cups an all

 

Can’t think of anyone claiming Rafa wants £80m a window etc etc. He wants to see progress, he wants to see his plan being invested in, he wants to see the academy and training facility improved. He wants to see when he gives a list to lee, the players on it actually sign for us.

 

Everybody knows this and nobody is claiming anything else. Not sure what your argument is? That you’re the only one who is right despite nobody arguing against you?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

For the good of the club long-term, Rafa has to go.

 

Doesn't this depend on what you think the effect will be though? For example, a scenario where Rafa stays on a bargain basement basis for the next 5 years might be preferable to one where he leaves, Ashley still won't sell up and we end up limping around the middle of the Championship with Alan Curbishly as manager. 

 

Hopefully the effect would be to spur on fans and Ashley sells, obviously. But I can't help thinking that's a bit wishful.

[Pons Alias]

If the alternatives are a few years as Sunderland or another decade of this shit, the former starts to look at least more satisfying as an experience.

 

You know, hope - all that shit.

[Tubestationatmidnight]

If the alternatives are a few years as Sunderland or another decade of this shit, the former stats to look at least more satisfying as an experience.

 

You know, hope - all that shit.

 

Starting a fresh with a decent owner in league one would be 100x better than this shit

 

At least we could get behind something in the hope that in 5 years time we could be back in Europe.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

For the good of the club long-term, Rafa has to go.

 

Doesn't this depend on what you think the effect will be though? For example, a scenario where Rafa stays on a bargain basement basis for the next 5 years might be preferable to one where he leaves, Ashley still won't sell up and we end up limping around the middle of the Championship with Alan Curbishly as manager. 

 

Hopefully the effect would be to spur on fans and Ashley sells, obviously. But I can't help thinking that's a bit wishful.

 

Rafa staying on to keep the team in the division and plodding along in mid-table is no different to someone like Pardew doing it in reality, although Rafa is of course a decent human being.

 

For Newcastle United to grow it requires people like Rafa in many areas of the club from the boardroom to scouting to corporate. It’s no good having someone like Rafa in the dugout if you have the likes of Barnes and Charnley in the boardroom or Beardsley in charge of the development team.

 

As things stand and will continue to be the case as long as Ashley owns us, the club is entirely dependant on one man being good at his job, the manager. That has brought the club back up and kept us up, but the club has been neglected so much in the last 11 years it almost needs a comple overhaul, and that’s not even considering the playing squad.

 

Scouting for example... we have no network and it’s Rafa’s own extensive database that he has to work from. There is no-one feeding his database or going out on his behalf looking for players, though. It’s all him and his tiny backroom team.

 

At boardroom level you have someone in Charnley who wouldn’t get into the boardroom of some companies with a 250k a year turnover never mind 100m plus.

 

Ashley releasing some extra funds for players, jet washing stadium walls, taking the players out for a meal or on holiday, going to games and having the training ground walls painted or pitches relaid won’t make up the huge gulf in class that exists between our club off the pitch compared to our rivals, not only at this level but below too with some Championship clubs having better facilities than we do, more extensive scouting networks, better acadamies and better commercial deals.

 

Nothing will change until the owner changes and he won’t change so we need a change in ownership full stop, regardless of who our manager is.

 

Rafa staying may keep the masses happy, but not me and despite what I’ve said about him being content, he will always agitate for more and never be fully happy, not when he goes to this stadium or that stadium and sees the facilities compared to our own or when players are joining other clubs because we won’t pay the going rate for wages. He will eventually demand more and so should we.

 

Rafa is just the manager, he’s not the club and we should not accept being owned by Ashley just because Rafa is the manager. We should always protest his ownership and continue to challenge him to sell up at all times.

 

This latest stunt of turning up to games and taking the players out for a meal is just an attempt to turn the masses against the protesters or to keep them from joining the protestors who will put up with just about anything while Rafa remains in the dugout.

 

Not this skinny guinea!

 

Ashley Out

 

Even if that means adios Rafa...

[Tubestationatmidnight]

For the good of the club long-term, Rafa has to go.

 

Doesn't this depend on what you think the effect will be though? For example, a scenario where Rafa stays on a bargain basement basis for the next 5 years might be preferable to one where he leaves, Ashley still won't sell up and we end up limping around the middle of the Championship with Alan Curbishly as manager. 

 

Hopefully the effect would be to spur on fans and Ashley sells, obviously. But I can't help thinking that's a bit wishful.

 

Rafa staying on to keep the team in the division and plodding along in mid-table is no different to someone like Pardew doing it in reality, although Rafa is of course a decent human being.

 

For Newcastle United to grow it requires people like Rafa in many areas of the club from the boardroom to scouting to corporate. It’s no good having someone like Rafa in the dugout if you have the likes of Barnes and Charnley in the boardroom or Beardsley in charge of the development team.

 

As things stand and will continue to be the case as long as Ashley owns us, the club is entirely dependant on one man being good at his job, the manager. That has brought the club back up and kept us up, but the club has been neglected so much in the last 11 years it almost needs a comple overhaul, and that’s not even considering the playing squad.

 

Scouting for example... we have no network and it’s Rafa’s own extensive database that he has to work from. There is no-one feeding his database or going out on his behalf looking for players, though. It’s all him and his tiny backroom team.

 

At boardroom level you have someone in Charnley who wouldn’t get into the boardroom of some companies with a 250k a year turnover never mind 100m plus.

 

Ashley releasing some extra funds for players, jet washing stadium walls, taking the players out for a meal or on holiday, going to games and having the training ground walls painted or pitches relaid won’t make up the huge gulf in class that exists between our club off the pitch compared to our rivals, not only at this level but below too with some Championship clubs having better facilities than we do, more extensive scouting networks, better acadamies and better commercial deals.

 

Nothing will change until the owner changes and he won’t change so we need a change in ownership full stop, regardless of who our manager is.

 

Rafa staying may keep the masses happy, but not me and despite what I’ve said about him being content, he will always agitate for more and never be fully happy, not when he goes to this stadium or that stadium and sees the facilities compared to our own or when players are joining other clubs because we won’t pay the going rate for wages. He will eventually demand more and so should we.

 

Rafa is just the manager, he’s not the club and we should not accept being owned by Ashley just because Rafa is the manager. We should always protest his ownership and continue to challenge him to sell up at all times.

 

This latest stunt of turning up to games and taking the players out for a meal is just an attempt to turn the masses against the protesters or to keep them from joining the protestors who will put up with just about anything while Rafa remains in the dugout.

 

Not this skinny guinea!

 

Ashley Out

 

Even if that means adios Rafa...

 

Fucking spot on! ?

 

That's definitely true the masses are accepting being owned by Ashley as Rafa is the manager.

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[mrmojorisin75]

 

get in

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I don’t disagree with any of that HTT, what I mean is you must believe that Rafa going would lead to Ashley selling. If you don’t believe that then surely it’s better to keep Rafa for as long as possible? Hard to know what the actual truth is here, obviously, but I think it’s a big assumption to link Rafa going with Ashley selling.

[sbnufc]

[AsprillasShinPad]

In my mind, there are 4 scenarios where Ashley goes:

 

1. He dies. Not against that option.

 

2. Relegation followed by not going back up. I think he'd dump us at cut price if there was no TV money on the table.

 

3. A higher offer for the club is put forward. The dream option.

 

4. SD massively piles in and he needs to sacrifice the club to save SD. Not a bad option.

[Hhtoon]

 

That seems a lot...did I miss him threatening to kill him?

[Guest neesy111]

 

That seems a lot...did I miss him threatening to kill him?

 

It's not, managers are fined according to what they earn.  So that's 1 week for rafa.

[cp40]

In my mind, there are 4 scenarios where Ashley goes:

 

1. He dies. Not against that option.

 

2. Relegation followed by not going back up. I think he'd dump us at cut price if there was no TV money on the table.

 

3. A higher offer for the club is put forward. The dream option.

 

4. SD massively piles in and he needs to sacrifice the club to save SD. Not a bad option.

 

 

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[frankpingel]

You read my mind cp40

[Bimpy474]

In my mind, there are 4 scenarios where Ashley goes:

 

1. He dies. Not against that option.

 

2. Relegation followed by not going back up. I think he'd dump us at cut price if there was no TV money on the table.

 

3. A higher offer for the club is put forward. The dream option.

 

4. SD massively piles in and he needs to sacrifice the club to save SD. Not a bad option.

 

[mrmojorisin75]

1.1.1.1.

[Tubestationatmidnight]

Saw some of his press conference on SSN. Either he’s unwell, or he just sounds completely miserable.

 

Probably had the life and energy sapped from him like the rest of us. I'm fucking drained