gdm Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 FWIW, I have serious doubts about PCP's takeover credentials now anyway. You would have to think by now, they would either have paid a bit more to get the deal done with or walked away. Why would they be pissed about by someone like Ashley if this is the way he thinks negotiations are done? They won’t pay more because of the high possibility of relegation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 According to Caulkin they made two offers: - The first was meeting the asking price of £300m but was to be paid in instalments and had conditions (e.g relegation) - The second was a take it or leave it £250m cash upfront. Both reasonable given the circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 FWIW, I have serious doubts about PCP's takeover credentials now anyway. You would have to think by now, they would either have paid a bit more to get the deal done with or walked away. Why would they be p*ssed about by someone like Ashley if this is the way he thinks negotiations are done? For christ sake don't badmouth PCP on here you'll get lynched Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hog Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 We've seen Ashley be an unprofessional prick on numerous occasions before, fucking off people that were attempting to be professional with him. While I'm upset by this news it's not unexpected, I just feel despondent about supporting the club as a whole now, I mean what's the point? Let's face it, Rafa will be off the first chance he gets, we'll continue to hang around the bottom of the prem (if we're lucky), just so that fat heinous cunt can nab the tv money and get free advertising for his pikey rag shop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Oh it's not happening now? Well, I am truly amazed at that. Never saw that one coming a fucking mile off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I do wonder if this bid was ever serious, everyone on here could have told her 250m would never be enough yet thats (allegedly) the highest offer that was made? Caulkin has just tweeted the asking price was met but included clauses and instalments The clauses were perfectly understandable, instalments, not so much if true. Ashley fucking offered installments didn't he? 100% that was reported when the sale shit went public. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 FWIW, I have serious doubts about PCP's takeover credentials now anyway. You would have to think by now, they would either have paid a bit more to get the deal done with or walked away. Why would they be pissed about by someone like Ashley if this is the way he thinks negotiations are done? To be honest there is nothing to suggest that they are pissed. If we are taking what the media are saying is true then she's devastated that Ashley thinks the deal is dead but she's still confident a deal could be true. Again though that is if we are taking what the people in the medians true, that applies not just on what she thinks of today's developments, but if Ashley has even said what SSN are saying he has. Again it all comes down to if anyone has any real information or not, lets not forget the fact that the day started with reports of the bid being upped to over £300m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 FWIW, I have serious doubts about PCP's takeover credentials now anyway. You would have to think by now, they would either have paid a bit more to get the deal done with or walked away. Why would they be pissed about by someone like Ashley if this is the way he thinks negotiations are done? You wouldn’t pay the asking price on an £80,000 Bentley if you were told that it might break down in 6 months months and need substantial work. Even if you were filthy rich, you’d want assurances or a more reasonable price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 FWIW, I have serious doubts about PCP's takeover credentials now anyway. You would have to think by now, they would either have paid a bit more to get the deal done with or walked away. Why would they be pissed about by someone like Ashley if this is the way he thinks negotiations are done? You wouldn’t pay the asking price on an £80,000 Bentley if you were told that it might break down in 6 months months and need substantial work. Even if you were filthy rich, you’d want assurances or a more reasonable price. Yeah but Man City are really rich and they just pay anything to get what they want. Like Alexis Sanchez, for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Chose today to give up smoking as well. Fuck! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just to give a different perspective and this is just my own opinion... First of all, I’m not reading too much into the latest ‘news’ and I have tried to refrain from commenting about it. One news outlet this morning said an improved bid had been made, another says it’s now off between MA and AS but the club still remains for sale... I’m working on the assumption that again, no one really knows anything and what is happening right now is basically a game of poker between seller and buyer... So... IMO I believe... Mike Ashley DOES want to sell NUFC, but only at a price he feels is acceptable. If the offer is 250m I myself would not accept that offer for NUFC as things stand. If it’s loaded with relegation clauses etc. holding MA responsible financially, again I would not accept that. It’s worth 300-350m even in the position we are in now if you are deadly serious about the club. If you were a serious buyer, you’d believe in the potential etc. and would have in place contingency plans for a relegation etc. Whether we were 10th and comfortable or only 3 points off safety as things stand. Long-term the club is worth 300m + even if next season it’s a division down. But only if you have plans for a long-term partnership with the club as an investor. Mike Ashley cannot bankroll NUFC to be even remotely competitive in the current climate, nor does he want to even if he could. The longer he remains as owner the tougher it becomes for him and the less valuable the club is worth because crowds will dwindle if all we are capable of is fighting relegation or even going down and there is zero chance Rafa who is the glue that bonds the fans to the club and vice versa at current will stick around. He goes, and it implodes. Therefore his bargaining chip weakens. What MA is hoping for is that the would be buyer matches his valuation. Whether AS has or not who knows. Whether there are clauses or not who knows. Maybe Ashley is even trying to smoke out another buyer, again who knows. Regardless, I firmly believe Mike Ashley would love to sell the club tomorrow, but only on his terms. At this moment, mind. He’s hoping by staying firm, the buyer will come back and give him what he wants because it seems they are desperate to own NUFC too, but like Ashley only on their terms. STALEMATE! Who will back down? I don’t think either will and the deciding factor may be us staying up which could mean a sale won’t happen until the end of the season. Everything I’ve read, everything I’ve heard, everything I personally think of it all, leads me to believe Ashley really does want out this time around, and that in order to get out, he will have to make a compromise. The would be buyer will have to as well. Whether that happens remains to be seen. Seriously, you don’t get this far into it for either party and then have a meal with smiley happy faces just to say fuck it, it’s not happening. So, for me, IMO, I think it will happen, the sale of NUFC. It may not be PCP nor this season, but it will happen because Ashley can not afford to keep hold of the club or rather he cannot afford to see his investment devalue so much to the point where it becomes almost worthless over time. Then add on the fan unrest, media scrutiny and the fact he could do with a few hundred million because as he said himself, he doesn’t have money in the bank allied to his net worth in terms of assets, not cash anyway. It’s all tied up in SD... oh and NUFC! HE cannot and will not sell up in SD. For the would be buyer, and this is why I believe it’s AS and maybe a few investors only and not Man City type owners, they are business people and spending an extra 50m just to secure the deal, will be fought tooth and nail, because they too are not flush with unlimited money. Especially as our league position/status isn’t secured or guaranteed. Compromise? We will see. Anyway, I’m not reading too much into any of what the media are going with at the moment, they have consistently shown they know fuck all and react to ‘stuff’ rather than anything else. Already there seems to be a bit of backtracking RE the so-called ‘statement’ from the so called source... And if we don’t get taken over? Burn the fucking house down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Some interesting tweets by this guy, who seems quite well connected based on the people that follow him. Before the news broke: Then: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 According to Caulkin they made two offers: - The first was meeting the asking price of £300m but was to be paid in instalments and had conditions (e.g relegation) - The second was a take it or leave it £250m cash upfront. Both reasonable given the circumstances. If they were prepared to make a second offer that included an acceptance of the risk of relegation, it would have been a lot less than £250m. Caulkin is no better informed about this situation than you or me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 According to Caulkin they made two offers: - The first was meeting the asking price of £300m but was to be paid in instalments and had conditions (e.g relegation) - The second was a take it or leave it £250m cash upfront. Both reasonable given the circumstances. Given the current circumstances of possible relegation? If we stay up does the cash price jump £50m? Ashley will see that as a worthwhile risk and I'd say there are currently 3/4 teams that are more likely to be relegated than us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 According to Caulkin they made two offers: - The first was meeting the asking price of £300m but was to be paid in instalments and had conditions (e.g relegation) - The second was a take it or leave it £250m cash upfront. Both reasonable given the circumstances. If they were prepared to make a second offer that included an acceptance of the risk of relegation, it would have been a lot less than £250m. Caulkin is no better informed about this situation than you or me. Well I think that's just wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 FWIW, I have serious doubts about PCP's takeover credentials now anyway. You would have to think by now, they would either have paid a bit more to get the deal done with or walked away. Why would they be p*ssed about by someone like Ashley if this is the way he thinks negotiations are done? You wouldn’t pay the asking price on an £80,000 Bentley if you were told that it might break down in 6 months months and need substantial work. Even if you were filthy rich, you’d want assurances or a more reasonable price. Cars are different though, they always lose valuation and will always need repairs at some point. A football club can increase in value as well as lose it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 According to Caulkin they made two offers: - The first was meeting the asking price of £300m but was to be paid in instalments and had conditions (e.g relegation) - The second was a take it or leave it £250m cash upfront. Both reasonable given the circumstances. If they were prepared to make a second offer that included an acceptance of the risk of relegation, it would have been a lot less than £250m. Caulkin is no better informed about this situation than you or me. Well I think that's just wrong. Do you actually believe that story about the two bids? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Our squad is worth much less now, than when Ashley first bought the club. Absolutely astounding that is the case considering the inflation in football since then. Our club is worth not much because their aren't any assets available to the buyer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Well this escalated quickly will still happen IMO. You'll be ridiculed for saying that, probably rightly so, but could I ask why you think that it'll still happen after all this? As much as I love this forum, bearing in mind I helped create and keep it together, and I’ve met some canny people on here and it is a part of my life, again for how far I date back with it all, ridicule on here really wouldn’t make any difference to me personally and especially given half the people on here are crack pots. Hey I’m one of them, but I’ll hang my neck on the line and say again this will be done eventually. No ITK bull shit or anything. Just my own feelings. And if it doesn’t... well I don’t know how I’ll live. Ridiculed on an internet message board by people I don’t know and never will know. Hope I can live it down... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 According to Caulkin they made two offers: - The first was meeting the asking price of £300m but was to be paid in instalments and had conditions (e.g relegation) - The second was a take it or leave it £250m cash upfront. Both reasonable given the circumstances. If they were prepared to make a second offer that included an acceptance of the risk of relegation, it would have been a lot less than £250m. Caulkin is no better informed about this situation than you or me. Well I think that's just wrong. Do you actually believe that story about the two bids? Not sure, I just completely disagree that he's no better informed than us randoms on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Why does HTT give us fucking homework with these unnecessarily long blog piece? Get a fucking wordpress blog! medium.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Why does HTT give us f***ing homework with these unnecessarily long blog piece? Get a f***ing wordpress blog! Last 12 months my posts-word count would be less than the mackems point tally over last 10 years man. I’ve cut right down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Some interesting tweets by this guy, who seems quite well connected based on the people that follow him. Before the news broke: Then: Sorry to say but the TV bidding next month means fuck all. First of all we have to survive this season, then the club has to survive next season in order to see the money. It doesn't matter if the deal happens now or after the new TV deal has been announced, PCP or any other owner would have to invest in funds to build the squad strong enough to either stay up or come back up in time for the new TV money. Ok so the prospect of getting that money may put another £50m-£100m valuation onto the club, but whoever owns the club is going to have to put in £50m-£100m to make sure they get that money. This TV deal is either just another excuse by Ashley to either not sell or a twist to the tale that the media can spin off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Chibas Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Ashley was never going to be backed into a corner, and accept any liability for having run an asset into the ground (rejecting the relegation clause), whilst commanding top dollar for it. The apparent collapse of the sale doesn't surprise me, business as usual. I hope Ashley's Newcastle United tumbles down the divisions - scorched earth mentality I have, when it comes to this PL marketing branch of Sports Direct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Aye, journalism via social media is something I can't get to grips with at all. Research a story and write it when you know what the fuck is happening - I'm making myself sound really old here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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