Charlies Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 http://www.nufcfansutd.com/news/december-21st-2017 They asked them? Fair enough. Our understanding is that PCP have serious plans for Newcastle United; a Newcastle United with Rafa Benitez at the helm. They want to realise those plans; have funds available that would bring continuous improvement to the playing squad over the next three transfer windows and beyond. They do not see relegation as a threat to those plans and indeed, those plans show that they and their investors are in this for the long haul. How do we know? Because we asked them! Put simply, they are Ashley’s only hope if he seriously wants that clean break; selling to someone who wants to take the club forward and provide the investment needed to take the club to that next level that he himself says he cannot provide. She apparently spoke to the Liverpool fan groups during that takeover bid, maybe my glass is more than half full here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 I'm convinced we'll see an influx of players come January (with a few leaving) with the final takeover completed after that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Yeah, I can't see them announcing the takeover until after the window. It'll just drive prices and wage demands up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Remember all those other times where we were getting optimistic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Yeah, I can't see them announcing the takeover until after the window. It'll just drive prices and wage demands up Intrigued by this train of thought actually, I mean "we've" managed to crack the code of how to beat the prices going up on behalf of Staveley et al so hopefully people at other clubs aren't able to. I mean after a decade of penny pinching us ringing up to buy David Luiz or Daniel Sturridge isn't going to ring any alarm bells like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Yeah, I can't see them announcing the takeover until after the window. It'll just drive prices and wage demands up Intrigued by this train of thought actually, I mean "we've" managed to crack the code of how to beat the prices going up on behalf of Staveley et al so hopefully people at other clubs aren't able to. I mean after a decade of penny pinching us ringing up to buy David Luiz or Daniel Sturridge isn't going to ring any alarm bells like There's no chance of us signing either player permanently though so what's the giveaway? We're also in a perilous position so isn't realistic that a club in our predicament would throw a bit of caution to the wind? If we get the majority of our business done early and under the radar (like we normally do) I don't see why we couldn't keep it quiet. Just because the potential new owners have money doesn't mean they'll want to get bent over a barrel in their first transfer window. Value for money isn't just a Mike Ashley thing, it's something that every club owner looks for. Ashley is just a cheap bastard and takes it to a crazy degree. :lol: :lol: :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Yeah, I can't see them announcing the takeover until after the window. It'll just drive prices and wage demands up Intrigued by this train of thought actually, I mean "we've" managed to crack the code of how to beat the prices going up on behalf of Staveley et al so hopefully people at other clubs aren't able to. I mean after a decade of penny pinching us ringing up to buy David Luiz or Daniel Sturridge isn't going to ring any alarm bells like There's no chance of us signing either player permanently though so what's the giveaway? We're also in a perilous position so isn't realistic that a club in our predicament would throw a bit of caution to the wind? If we get the majority of our business done early and under the radar (like we normally do) I don't see why we couldn't keep it quiet. Just because the potential new owners have money doesn't mean they'll want to get bent over a barrel in their first transfer window. Value for money isn't just a Mike Ashley thing, it's something that every club owner looks for. Ashley is just a cheap bastard and takes it to a crazy degree. [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38] If we go in for the likes of Luiz and Sturridge even on loan Ashley has sold the club, and everyone knows it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Yeah, I can't see them announcing the takeover until after the window. It'll just drive prices and wage demands up Intrigued by this train of thought actually, I mean "we've" managed to crack the code of how to beat the prices going up on behalf of Staveley et al so hopefully people at other clubs aren't able to. I mean after a decade of penny pinching us ringing up to buy David Luiz or Daniel Sturridge isn't going to ring any alarm bells like so true.We're all doing mental gymnastics to convince ourselves theres reason behind everything, and that we're in for a great January. The clubs we (hopefully) will be trying to buy off are not going to be so stupid they don't know who owns us and will give a massive discount to Mike compared to any new owner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Yeah, I can't see them announcing the takeover until after the window. It'll just drive prices and wage demands up Intrigued by this train of thought actually, I mean "we've" managed to crack the code of how to beat the prices going up on behalf of Staveley et al so hopefully people at other clubs aren't able to. I mean after a decade of penny pinching us ringing up to buy David Luiz or Daniel Sturridge isn't going to ring any alarm bells like There's no chance of us signing either player permanently though so what's the giveaway? We're also in a perilous position so isn't realistic that a club in our predicament would throw a bit of caution to the wind? If we get the majority of our business done early and under the radar (like we normally do) I don't see why we couldn't keep it quiet. Just because the potential new owners have money doesn't mean they'll want to get bent over a barrel in their first transfer window. Value for money isn't just a Mike Ashley thing, it's something that every club owner looks for. Ashley is just a cheap b****** and takes it to a crazy degree. [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38] If we go in for the likes of Luiz and Sturridge even on loan Ashley has sold the club, and everyone knows it. OK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Yeah, I can't see them announcing the takeover until after the window. It'll just drive prices and wage demands up Intrigued by this train of thought actually, I mean "we've" managed to crack the code of how to beat the prices going up on behalf of Staveley et al so hopefully people at other clubs aren't able to. I mean after a decade of penny pinching us ringing up to buy David Luiz or Daniel Sturridge isn't going to ring any alarm bells like There's no chance of us signing either player permanently though so what's the giveaway? We're also in a perilous position so isn't realistic that a club in our predicament would throw a bit of caution to the wind? If we get the majority of our business done early and under the radar (like we normally do) I don't see why we couldn't keep it quiet. Just because the potential new owners have money doesn't mean they'll want to get bent over a barrel in their first transfer window. Value for money isn't just a Mike Ashley thing, it's something that every club owner looks for. Ashley is just a cheap b****** and takes it to a crazy degree. [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38] If we go in for the likes of Luiz and Sturridge even on loan Ashley has sold the club, and everyone knows it. OK Really will be very obvious imo. Moves for Kenedy on loan and such and I think you could look at it either way but if we go for proper PL quality and intend to pay the fees (even loan) and wages that would take then it's not Ashley in charge anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Yeah, I can't see them announcing the takeover until after the window. It'll just drive prices and wage demands up Intrigued by this train of thought actually, I mean "we've" managed to crack the code of how to beat the prices going up on behalf of Staveley et al so hopefully people at other clubs aren't able to. I mean after a decade of penny pinching us ringing up to buy David Luiz or Daniel Sturridge isn't going to ring any alarm bells like There's no chance of us signing either player permanently though so what's the giveaway? We're also in a perilous position so isn't realistic that a club in our predicament would throw a bit of caution to the wind? If we get the majority of our business done early and under the radar (like we normally do) I don't see why we couldn't keep it quiet. Just because the potential new owners have money doesn't mean they'll want to get bent over a barrel in their first transfer window. Value for money isn't just a Mike Ashley thing, it's something that every club owner looks for. Ashley is just a cheap b****** and takes it to a crazy degree. [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38] If we go in for the likes of Luiz and Sturridge even on loan Ashley has sold the club, and everyone knows it. OK Really will be very obvious imo. Moves for Kenedy on loan and such and I think you could look at it either way but if we go for proper PL quality and intend to pay the fees (even loan) and wages that would take then it's not Ashley in charge anymore. I take your point but if the sale of the club hinges on us being in the PL, isn't it feasible that Ashley would sanction moves that are non-typical? I'd say going for David Luiz & Sturridge is about as Ashley as you can get - tentative enquiries, nowt doing....'we tried'. Now, if we actually sign either of them i agree we can all collectively toast our new MILF owner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Yeah, I can't see them announcing the takeover until after the window. It'll just drive prices and wage demands up Intrigued by this train of thought actually, I mean "we've" managed to crack the code of how to beat the prices going up on behalf of Staveley et al so hopefully people at other clubs aren't able to. I mean after a decade of penny pinching us ringing up to buy David Luiz or Daniel Sturridge isn't going to ring any alarm bells like There's no chance of us signing either player permanently though so what's the giveaway? We're also in a perilous position so isn't realistic that a club in our predicament would throw a bit of caution to the wind? If we get the majority of our business done early and under the radar (like we normally do) I don't see why we couldn't keep it quiet. Just because the potential new owners have money doesn't mean they'll want to get bent over a barrel in their first transfer window. Value for money isn't just a Mike Ashley thing, it's something that every club owner looks for. Ashley is just a cheap b****** and takes it to a crazy degree. [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38] If we go in for the likes of Luiz and Sturridge even on loan Ashley has sold the club, and everyone knows it. OK Really will be very obvious imo. Moves for Kenedy on loan and such and I think you could look at it either way but if we go for proper PL quality and intend to pay the fees (even loan) and wages that would take then it's not Ashley in charge anymore. I would agree with that tbh, but these are just rumours anyway, probably turn out to be bollocks most likely. The Kenedy signing though, is being pushed as a done deal, so we are still pretty clueless as to where the takeover is really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Yeah, I can't see them announcing the takeover until after the window. It'll just drive prices and wage demands up Intrigued by this train of thought actually, I mean "we've" managed to crack the code of how to beat the prices going up on behalf of Staveley et al so hopefully people at other clubs aren't able to. I mean after a decade of penny pinching us ringing up to buy David Luiz or Daniel Sturridge isn't going to ring any alarm bells like There's no chance of us signing either player permanently though so what's the giveaway? We're also in a perilous position so isn't realistic that a club in our predicament would throw a bit of caution to the wind? If we get the majority of our business done early and under the radar (like we normally do) I don't see why we couldn't keep it quiet. Just because the potential new owners have money doesn't mean they'll want to get bent over a barrel in their first transfer window. Value for money isn't just a Mike Ashley thing, it's something that every club owner looks for. Ashley is just a cheap b****** and takes it to a crazy degree. [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38] If we go in for the likes of Luiz and Sturridge even on loan Ashley has sold the club, and everyone knows it. OK Really will be very obvious imo. Moves for Kenedy on loan and such and I think you could look at it either way but if we go for proper PL quality and intend to pay the fees (even loan) and wages that would take then it's not Ashley in charge anymore. I take your point but if the sale of the club hinges on us being in the PL, isn't it feasible that Ashley would sanction moves that are non-typical? I'd say going for David Luiz & Sturridge is about as Ashley as you can get - tentative enquiries, nowt doing....'we tried'. Now, if we actually sign either of them i agree we can all collectively toast our new MILF owner. First bit could possibly be right but I don't really see how that would lower prices, has just as much chance to raise them surely? Anyway neither of us know nowt, I just thought it was a hopeful viewpoint in some way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Yeah, I can't see them announcing the takeover until after the window. It'll just drive prices and wage demands up Intrigued by this train of thought actually, I mean "we've" managed to crack the code of how to beat the prices going up on behalf of Staveley et al so hopefully people at other clubs aren't able to. I mean after a decade of penny pinching us ringing up to buy David Luiz or Daniel Sturridge isn't going to ring any alarm bells like There's no chance of us signing either player permanently though so what's the giveaway? We're also in a perilous position so isn't realistic that a club in our predicament would throw a bit of caution to the wind? If we get the majority of our business done early and under the radar (like we normally do) I don't see why we couldn't keep it quiet. Just because the potential new owners have money doesn't mean they'll want to get bent over a barrel in their first transfer window. Value for money isn't just a Mike Ashley thing, it's something that every club owner looks for. Ashley is just a cheap b****** and takes it to a crazy degree. [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38] If we go in for the likes of Luiz and Sturridge even on loan Ashley has sold the club, and everyone knows it. OK Really will be very obvious imo. Moves for Kenedy on loan and such and I think you could look at it either way but if we go for proper PL quality and intend to pay the fees (even loan) and wages that would take then it's not Ashley in charge anymore. I take your point but if the sale of the club hinges on us being in the PL, isn't it feasible that Ashley would sanction moves that are non-typical? I'd say going for David Luiz & Sturridge is about as Ashley as you can get - tentative enquiries, nowt doing....'we tried'. Now, if we actually sign either of them i agree we can all collectively toast our new MILF owner. First bit could possibly be right but I don't really see how that would lower prices, has just as much chance to raise them surely? Anyway neither of us know nowt, I just thought it was a hopeful viewpoint in some way. f*** knows! I don't care either way tbh, it's not like it's my money. In a way it'd be nice to see us pay over the odds for someone just because we could. We've been shopping in the football version of Netto for far too long Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Does anyone think that relegation isnt the end of the world as long as the takeover is done? It's just postponing her plans for another 12 months but we'll get there. The problem I have is relegation with Ashley still here as that'll likely end any hope of her takeover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 I think relegation this season would be the worst thing that could happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Aye. Being in the Championship is massively less attractive and a totally different proposition. Plus the fact you'd probably have to rebuild all over again with no guarantee of successful promotion - just look at how Aston Villa, Norwich, Sunderland etc are doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Surely we can't keep bouncing back up first time. It's not an experiment I'd like to try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number9shirt Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Yeah, I can't see them announcing the takeover until after the window. It'll just drive prices and wage demands up Good thought, on the other hand who wants to join a club with huge uncertainty over the ownership. New owner, new money, big wages, big players & most importantly big plans for the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 I haven't seen this posted anywhere so I thought I'd pop it here, sorry if Giggs: http://www.nufcfansutd.com/news/december-21st-2017 A Work In Progress 21/12/2017 0 Comments Rome wasn’t built in a day and nor are takeover bids. They take months of planning, hundreds of hours of analysis to establish the facts and millions of pounds to reach conclusion. They need a willing buyer as well as a willing seller and despite the recent run of poor results that have engaged the mind of supporters over recent weeks, one constant has been the presence of PCP Capital Partners as the only show in town when it comes to offers to purchase the football club. It was back in October that Mike Ashley announced his intention to put the club up for sale when he informed supporters that, "As one of the Premier League's oldest and best supported football clubs - and for the benefit of its many fans and supporters in the UK and across the world - Newcastle United requires a clear direction and a path to a bright and successful future.” “To give the club the best possible opportunity of securing the positioning and investment necessary to take it to the next level, at what is an important time in its history, its present ownership has determined that it is in the best interests of Newcastle United and its fans for the club to be put up for sale.” “To give an incoming owner the maximum possible flexibility to make meaningful investment in the club, including in its playing squad, the sale process will give interested parties the opportunity of deferring substantial payments.” Amanda Staveley and her team showed their hand quite early; and not long after Ashley’s statement was released. It was heavily reported at the time that he wanted the club sold before Christmas, such was his eagerness to end his tenure on Tyneside; therefore they studiously conducted their due diligence and posted their offer after a full and forensic assessment of the club. And key to that valuation was the presence of Rafa Benitez. Newcastle United supporters aren’t stupid. They know a good a manager when they see one and so do PCP Capital Partners. Indeed, in Rafa Benitez both see a world-class manager; one that they want to remain in place to realise the investment that is on the table. Wild speculation questioning Rafa’s commitment, ability or desire from whatever quarter is unhelpful at best and serves no purpose other than to destabilise proceedings at a time when everyone needs to be staying calm and pulling together. Supporters also know with certainty that PCP Capital Partners are the only show in town when it comes to a desire to purchase the football club. They should also know therefore that it was the presence of Rafa Benitez, his passion, his desire for success and his standing in the game that attracts them to consider investing in Newcastle United. Our understanding is that PCP have serious plans for Newcastle United; a Newcastle United with Rafa Benitez at the helm. They want to realise those plans; have funds available that would bring continuous improvement to the playing squad over the next three transfer windows and beyond. They do not see relegation as a threat to those plans and indeed, those plans show that they and their investors are in this for the long haul. How do we know? Because we asked them! Put simply, they are Ashley’s only hope if he seriously wants that clean break; selling to someone who wants to take the club forward and provide the investment needed to take the club to that next level that he himself says he cannot provide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 like 20-ish posts above yours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 like 20-ish posts above yours. ....and yes I'm an idiot. Ffs Edit: And a NPW!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Don't see why Ashley would give a shit about who he sells the club to, as long as he gets the price he wants. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Don't see why Ashley would give a s*** about who he sells the club to, as long as he gets the price he wants. pretty much the least Mike Ashley thing ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Does anyone think that relegation isnt the end of the world as long as the takeover is done? It's just postponing her plans for another 12 months but we'll get there. The problem I have is relegation with Ashley still here as that'll likely end any hope of her takeover. Problem is every relegation puts you another £100m behind the clubs that are already in the Premier. Wasn't the reasoning for this year's low spend that we had to catch up on those who had already got a season's worth of loot in their war chest? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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