AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Would VAR have cleared up either of the major decisions yesterday ? I was going to ask that too. It wouldn’t have been used on the elbow because the ref allowed play to continue. On the Yedlin red, it’s a matter of judgement. Even if VAR was used they could easily have agreed it was a red. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Would VAR have cleared up either of the major decisions yesterday ? I was going to ask that too. It wouldn’t have been used on the elbow because the ref allowed play to continue. On the Yedlin red, it’s a matter of judgement. Even if VAR was used they could easily have agreed it was a red. Is that the rule? Genuine question. Once play did stop could he not have went back to it? The useless prick should have stopped play for the head injury anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I’m not sure either. But why would he if he didn’t see anything wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Would VAR have cleared up either of the major decisions yesterday ? I was going to ask that too. It wouldn’t have been used on the elbow because the ref allowed play to continue. On the Yedlin red, it’s a matter of judgement. Even if VAR was used they could easily have agreed it was a red. What? VAR is still used when play isn't stopped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I’m not sure either. But why would he if he didn’t see anything wrong? The VAR panel alert the ref to it, not the other way on (in that example). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I honestly don’t know when it gets called for. I got the impression it was more restricted than people just watching the whole game and reporting things to the ref. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I’m not sure either. But why would he if he didn’t see anything wrong? Fair point. I'm just wondering if he could have went back to it once it was obvious something had happened (which should have been when he noticed the head injury). Suppose it's all ifs and buts really. The VAR panel alert the ref to it, not the other way on (in that example). Makes more sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Don’t listen to me, I don’t know either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 There are three ways VAR can play out during the game: 1. The video referee speaks to the on-field referee through an earpiece, who will put his hand up to pause play and inform the players a decision is being reviewed. If satisfied there is no error, he will signal for play to re-start. 2. VAR decides. In this instance the referee will draw a rectangle with his arms to replicate a TV a screen. The video referee will review the incident and the referee will make the same signal if he wishes to change his decision. 3, An 'on-field review', as we saw when Italy were rewarded a penalty at Wembley earlier this year. With more subjective decisions, the video referee will instruct the referee to watch a replay on a pitchside screen. He will make the 'TV signal' before communicating his final decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 But on option 2, what constitutes an incident or a decision? Just anything seen on TV? If so I guess that’s good, I just thought it was more restricted for some reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 But on option 2, what constitutes an incident or a decision? Just anything seen on TV? If so I guess that’s good, I just thought it was more restricted for some reason. It's not just "on TV". The VAR panel have loads of screens and loads of camera angles. No way they would have missed it last night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 But on option 2, what constitutes an incident or a decision? Just anything seen on TV? If so I guess that’s good, I just thought it was more restricted for some reason. It's not just "on TV". The VAR panel have loads of screens and loads of camera angles. No way they would have missed it last night. Exactly really don’t understand how people don’t think the decision would be changed? Also of course the game could be pulled back after continuing- even if wolves had scored Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 From my understanding with the elbow yesterday, play would have continued with the VAR ref altering Dean once he had seen the incident. So even if Wolves had gone up the other end and scored, they could have reviewed the elbow and brought play back to that point. Makes more sense to let play continue till it stops with the ball out of play or play stagnates, then call the review. Either way its needed sooner than later, no excuse for it not be used already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 From my understanding with the elbow yesterday, play would have continued with the VAR ref altering Dean once he had seen the incident. So even if Wolves had gone up the other end and scored, they could have reviewed the elbow and brought play back to that point. Makes more sense to let play continue till it stops with the ball out of play or play stagnates, then call the review. Either way its needed sooner than later, no excuse for it not be used already. To the actual letter of the law ref should have stopped the game for the head injury. During the break in play he would have reviewed the incident (either after being alerted to it, or actually being a good ref and taking a look at it himself). The whole incident is indefensible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 From my understanding with the elbow yesterday, play would have continued with the VAR ref altering Dean once he had seen the incident. So even if Wolves had gone up the other end and scored, they could have reviewed the elbow and brought play back to that point. Makes more sense to let play continue till it stops with the ball out of play or play stagnates, then call the review. Either way its needed sooner than later, no excuse for it not be used already. To the actual letter of the law ref should have stopped the game for the head injury. During the break in play he would have reviewed the incident (either after being alerted to it, or actually being a good ref and taking a look at it himself). The whole incident is indefensible. Does the ref have to stop the game every time somebody clutches their head? Or is the decision down to whether he thinks the injury is genuine? If Dean thought Perez had been hit in the face with the ball, he would likely assume he is faking it. Doe sthe ref have to stop the game anyway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 But on option 2, what constitutes an incident or a decision? Just anything seen on TV? If so I guess that’s good, I just thought it was more restricted for some reason. It's not just "on TV". The VAR panel have loads of screens and loads of camera angles. No way they would have missed it last night. Exactly really don’t understand how people don’t think the decision would be changed? Also of course the game could be pulled back after continuing- even if wolves had scored No but what I mean is, VAR are just watching the game effectively as an always-on video referee who can tell the on-pitch ref anything at any time? I thought there were more restrictions than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Is the panel guaranteed to be neutral ala the matchday refs and not supporting certain clubs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemagpie Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Is the panel guaranteed to be neutral ala the matchday refs and not supporting certain clubs? Probably about as neutral as Mike Dean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 VAR is all well and good but at the end of the day a cunt like Mike Dean still has to have another look at it has to admit he got it wrong and that's always going to be the issue. Dean absolutely loves the attention and goes out of his way to turn each match into the Mike Dean show. He's supremely arrogant and that's always the flaw, the officials in the studio can say he got it wrong but it's ultimately up to Dean to change his mind. VAR wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference on Sunday imho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 From my understanding with the elbow yesterday, play would have continued with the VAR ref altering Dean once he had seen the incident. So even if Wolves had gone up the other end and scored, they could have reviewed the elbow and brought play back to that point. Makes more sense to let play continue till it stops with the ball out of play or play stagnates, then call the review. Either way its needed sooner than later, no excuse for it not be used already. To the actual letter of the law ref should have stopped the game for the head injury. During the break in play he would have reviewed the incident (either after being alerted to it, or actually being a good ref and taking a look at it himself). The whole incident is indefensible. Does the ref have to stop the game every time somebody clutches their head? Or is the decision down to whether he thinks the injury is genuine? If Dean thought Perez had been hit in the face with the ball, he would likely assume he is faking it. Doe sthe ref have to stop the game anyway? Ref HAS to stop the game for any injury deemed serious, regardless of the cause. However, he’s a bit of a wanker, so I reckon if Perez had taken a machete to the throat he still wouldn’t stop it. Even a ball to the face can knock a player out, break a nose etc, so the game needed to be stopped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 You can just guarantee the first time VARS gets used in a game involving us, it's going to go against us and we get a goal ruled out, or get a penalty given against us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 After the elbow Dean made a conscious decision not to look back to check on Perez and simply ran up the pitch as Wolves broke. It was bad enough that he didn’t see the elbow but he also deliberately disregarded a head injury. Yedlin was fouled for the sending off and that’s mostly been glossed over, clear pull on his shirt but he didn’t dare throw himself to the ground in case it wasn’t given. Has to be said though; we let in 2 poor goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 You can just guarantee the first time VARS gets used in a game involving us, it's going to go against us and we get a goal ruled out, or get a penalty given against us On the positive side, for that to happen it would mean we had avoided relegation this season and were playing in the Premiership next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsprillasShinPad Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 After the string of bent decisions we've had against us this season, the debate is over. Someone please lock this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Still half expecting one of these refs to award a pen against us, then run up and whack it in himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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