johnny36 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 3 minutes ago, The Prophet said: £8.5 million is a poor offer to be fair. Not for a MLS club? Id live to get 12-15 for Almiron but no other clubs bar Saudi have been linked..Do we think Almiron has another purple patch in him ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izakaya Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 He's worth what someone's willing to pay, and every day he gets older that number gets smaller. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 42 minutes ago, The Butcher said: 177 games in the PL for us. 23 goals. 6 (!) assists. Take away that purple patch... He's a great athlete and a shite footballer. And you wonder why no decent club will touch him? Ah come on, man. He’s a good player. Eminently capable of being improved upon but to my mind he’s been a lot more good than bad. Worst you can say is he’s frustrating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 1 minute ago, johnny36 said: Yes, I would be happy with 8.5 for Almiron..He wont move to Saudi for 20-25 million..I dont see anybody else after him..Its the same with Wilson..We might value them at 20 million but we havent been offered it I don't expect that we would get anything close to that kind of money from Saudi. But he's better than £8.5m in todays market is what I'm saying. His goals and assist stats may be questionable but he has other attributes that could be more important in certain games next season than £8.5m is right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 I don't honestly know how people can watch Almiron regularly for 5 years and convince themselves hes a good player. I have nothing against him but he's not good enough and hasn't been for a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzle Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 18 minutes ago, johnny36 said: If we turned down 8.5 million for Almiron then I dont want Eales or Howe to mention PSR affecting us ever again..We had a chance to move on players (Trippier in Jan) and now Almiron and refused both..Cant have it both ways £12m for Trippier last January would have done absolutely fuck all to fix the PSR mess we got in, not sure what you point there is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 9 minutes ago, The Prophet said: £8.5 million is a poor offer to be fair. Maybe, but it’s likely the best offer we get and he will leave for less next summer or beyond. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 (edited) Similar to Trippier, he's worth more to us than he's worth as a transfer fee unfortunately. At some point you have to pull the trigger, but the inevitability is that you'll pay a lot more to replace what you lose. Personally think £15m isn't an unreasonable asking price. Edited August 14 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 1 minute ago, Menace said: I don't honestly know how people can watch Almiron regularly for 5 years and convince themselves hes a good player. I have nothing against him but he's not good enough and hasn't been for a while. The 5 years is irrelevent tbh, all players have new worth under Howe. We wouldn't rate Joelinton based on his whole time here either, it's just the Howe era that matters. By that measure Almiron clearly has value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny36 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 2 minutes ago, ads said: I don't expect that we would get anything close to that kind of money from Saudi. But he's better than £8.5m in todays market is what I'm saying. His goals and assist stats may be questionable but he has other attributes that could be more important in certain games next season than £8.5m is right now. Thats fair..I love Almiron.. but 6 assists in 5.5 years is terrible..If Almiron starts this season then all the pressure is on Gordon and Bruno etc to provide assists for Isak if our right winger cant..He is a workhorse and will run forever but his main job as a winger is to be a "door opener" as Souness would say and thats not happening Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 1 minute ago, Menace said: I don't honestly know how people can watch Almiron regularly for 5 years and convince themselves hes a good player. I have nothing against him but he's not good enough and hasn't been for a while. I find it odd as well. I like him but reading comments like 1. He is a good player 2. Frustrating 3. Unproductive 4. Lack of natural football ability 5. He worths more than 10m even he is 30 years old with no resale value doesn’t make sense to me, they all don’t add up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 We probably should have sold Trippier in January as well to be honest. However given his output last year (and throughout most of his time here) I'd say we should be taking any actual fee for Almiron and finding a replacement. Our recruitment has generally been very good since the takeover, but I think our overall squad management and selling isn't as anywhere near as calculated as it should be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Hopefully there's something lined up elsewhere. It's maybe not as much as we would have hoped for but if we end up keeping him as a bit part player for a year and then him walking for nowt it seems like a fairly shite use of resources for a club super pressed for financial wiggle room. Looks like that's what's gonna happen with Wilson and possibly a few others too. Not to go all PSR nonce, but selling Almiron for 8m and getting his 100k wages off the books and signing Madueke for 40m on a 100k, five year contract is fairly close to breaking even for the upcoming year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janpawel Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 How many years left on his contract? If 1 then taking the fee is a no brainier imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 4 minutes ago, janpawel said: How many years left on his contract? If 1 then taking the fee is a no brainier imo He signed 3 and half year deal last year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 11 minutes ago, Menace said: I don't honestly know how people can watch Almiron regularly for 5 years and convince themselves hes a good player. I have nothing against him but he's not good enough and hasn't been for a while. Well both Rafael Benitez and Eddie Howe picked him frequently, and in my view both of them are good judges of quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Just now, gdm said: He signed 3 and half year deal last year Mental we gave him that imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Just now, SUPERTOON said: Mental we gave him that imo. Agreed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 He’s worth a lot more than £8.5m, I think the absolute minimum we should sell him for is £12m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Mental we gave him that imo. Depends on what his salary is. He’s not a Ryan Fraser. Edited August 14 by LFEE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 It's not really about Miggy being good or bad, it's about his strengths and weaknesses and what people value. We know he's limited as a creator and scorer, but he runs endlessly and works his arse off. That's what managers are looking at, especially managers who need to think of defence (Benitez) or pressing (Howe). He's obviously now not of the level we want to be at, I don't think anyone denies that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Does it not count for anything, in anybody's measure, that Howe rates him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Howe also rated ASM and it was a good decision to bin him off in the end... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 He’s obviously available, yet the only suitor is a mediocre MLS side - I’m not sure we would be getting much more for him tbh. I like Almiron - I think he comes across as a good pro, and always puts in a shift. I also don’t think he has ever been a particularly good footballer - his output has been ludicrously bad, especially outside of his purple patch - Howe extracted the most you’ll ever get from his talents, but it was an error not to try to sell him in the summer of 2023 when a PL club might have mistaken a mediocre player who was benefitting from excellent coaching, for an excellent player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 I still feel he was unlucky to sign for Rafa to play with Rondon and Perez and ended up spending so much time under Bruce. FWIW I thought in pre-season he was looking to run inside a lot more and get into different areas. Probably will leave anyway, so not worth too much energy on the debate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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