David Edgar Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Great seeing OGS fanboy Nev getting put in his place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Better ‘version’ of it! Class run by Sergio btw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 The 14 players Man Utd used yesterday were more expensive than the 14 Man City used, yet we’re supposed to view Man Utd as the plucky underdog against their oil rich rivals. Clearly City are more talented, ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Without question but I hate it when they deem it a David v Goliath type match when it’s self inflicted. Was the same when Chelsea won the CL, they were the plucky outsiders even though they had one of the most expensive squads in the competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Transfer values these days are too overused and frankly it's boring and not as good measure of a player's or team's ability like so many people think. Not least because a player's strengths and weakness interact, for example with the manager's instructions/ability to coach (plus whatever else), to influence the outcome. Transfers these days are also over inflated for reasons such as agent fees, economical forces (?) and even value of x player to the club. (which doesn't make a good indicator of a player's ability in relation to the fee; i.e, Sigurdsson.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Transfer values these days are too overused and frankly it's boring and not as good measure of a player's or team's ability like so many people think. Not least because a player's strengths and weakness interact, for example with the manager's instructions/ability to coach (plus whatever else), to influence the outcome. Transfers these days are also over inflated for reasons such as agent fees, economical forces (?) and even value of x player to the club. (which doesn't make a good indicator of a player's ability in relation to the fee; i.e, Sigurdsson.) Well we know that . The point is that Team X and Team Y both had 300M or whatever to spend, you can't then say Team Y are plucky underdogs because they fucked up how to spend it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Transfer values these days are too overused and frankly it's boring and not as good measure of a player's or team's ability like so many people think. Not least because a player's strengths and weakness interact, for example with the manager's instructions/ability to coach (plus whatever else), to influence the outcome. Transfers these days are also over inflated for reasons such as agent fees, economical forces (?) and even value of x player to the club. (which doesn't make a good indicator of a player's ability in relation to the fee; i.e, Sigurdsson.) Well we know that . The point is that Team X and Team Y both had 300M or whatever to spend, you can't then say Team Y are plucky underdogs because they fucked up how to spend it. You say they're plucky underdogs because the players are not as good, not because the transfers were fucked up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Transfer values these days are too overused and frankly it's boring and not as good measure of a player's or team's ability like so many people think. Not least because a player's strengths and weakness interact, for example with the manager's instructions/ability to coach (plus whatever else), to influence the outcome. Transfers these days are also over inflated for reasons such as agent fees, economical forces (?) and even value of x player to the club. (which doesn't make a good indicator of a player's ability in relation to the fee; i.e, Sigurdsson.) Well we know that . The point is that Team X and Team Y both had 300M or whatever to spend, you can't then say Team Y are plucky underdogs because they fucked up how to spend it. You say they're plucky underdogs because the players are not as good, not because the transfers were fucked up. Oh yeah, Smalling is a plucky underdog every time he walks on a pitch. Manchester United are not though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Transfer values these days are too overused and frankly it's boring and not as good measure of a player's or team's ability like so many people think. Not least because a player's strengths and weakness interact, for example with the manager's instructions/ability to coach (plus whatever else), to influence the outcome. Transfers these days are also over inflated for reasons such as agent fees, economical forces (?) and even value of x player to the club. (which doesn't make a good indicator of a player's ability in relation to the fee; i.e, Sigurdsson.) Well we know that . The point is that Team X and Team Y both had 300M or whatever to spend, you can't then say Team Y are plucky underdogs because they fucked up how to spend it. You say they're plucky underdogs because the players are not as good, not because the transfers were fucked up. Oh yeah, Smalling is a plucky underdog every time he walks on a pitch. Manchester United are not though. The team is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 If Man Utd are spunking £250m on Sanchez, Lukaku & Pogba then it’s their fault. City seem to shop in the £25-45m market...have they ever spent over £50m? Rare for the elite clubs these days. Man Utd should be a lot closer than what they are but bad transfer policy has cost them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 If Man Utd are spunking £250m on Sanchez, Lukaku & Pogba then it’s their fault. City seem to shop in the £25-45m market...have they ever spent over £50m? Rare for the elite clubs these days. Man Utd should be a lot closer than what they are but bad transfer policy has cost them. Mahrez last summer cost them £60m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Transfer values these days are too overused and frankly it's boring and not as good measure of a player's or team's ability like so many people think. Not least because a player's strengths and weakness interact, for example with the manager's instructions/ability to coach (plus whatever else), to influence the outcome. Transfers these days are also over inflated for reasons such as agent fees, economical forces (?) and even value of x player to the club. (which doesn't make a good indicator of a player's ability in relation to the fee; i.e, Sigurdsson.) Well we know that . The point is that Team X and Team Y both had 300M or whatever to spend, you can't then say Team Y are plucky underdogs because they fucked up how to spend it. You say they're plucky underdogs because the players are not as good, not because the transfers were fucked up. Oh yeah, Smalling is a plucky underdog every time he walks on a pitch. Manchester United are not though. The team is. The point we're making is just that it's a bit rich (ahem) to call Man U plucky underdogs. It undermines the really plucky underdogs who have relatively miniscule resources - including those available for transfer fees - such as Burnley, say. Better to just call Man U incompetent twats. And nobody uses transfer fees to measure a team's abilities, they use transfer fees to highlight what a team's abilities should be in relation to others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 If Man Utd are spunking £250m on Sanchez, Lukaku & Pogba then it’s their fault. City seem to shop in the £25-45m market...have they ever spent over £50m? Rare for the elite clubs these days. Man Utd should be a lot closer than what they are but bad transfer policy has cost them. Mahrez last summer cost them £60m Aye just looked, 3 between £50-60m. The players yesterday though, Man Utd’s 5 most expensive players cost £70m more than City’s 5 most expensive. That £70m is at least a world class centre-back which they’ve been crying for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 If Man Utd are spunking £250m on Sanchez, Lukaku & Pogba then it’s their fault. City seem to shop in the £25-45m market...have they ever spent over £50m? Rare for the elite clubs these days. Man Utd should be a lot closer than what they are but bad transfer policy has cost them. Once again you're using transfer fees as an indicator to a player's ability. As I mentioned, this is overrated way to gauge a good measure of their ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Transfer values these days are too overused and frankly it's boring and not as good measure of a player's or team's ability like so many people think. Not least because a player's strengths and weakness interact, for example with the manager's instructions/ability to coach (plus whatever else), to influence the outcome. Transfers these days are also over inflated for reasons such as agent fees, economical forces (?) and even value of x player to the club. (which doesn't make a good indicator of a player's ability in relation to the fee; i.e, Sigurdsson.) Well we know that . The point is that Team X and Team Y both had 300M or whatever to spend, you can't then say Team Y are plucky underdogs because they fucked up how to spend it. You say they're plucky underdogs because the players are not as good, not because the transfers were fucked up. Oh yeah, Smalling is a plucky underdog every time he walks on a pitch. Manchester United are not though. The team is. The point we're making is just that it's a bit rich (ahem) to call Man U plucky underdogs. It undermines the really plucky underdogs who have relatively miniscule resources - including those available for transfer fees - such as Burnley, say. Better to just call Man U incompetent twats. And nobody uses transfer fees to measure a team's abilities, they use transfer fees to highlight what a team's abilities should be in relation to others. ffs, don't give a shit about other contexts. I was responding to NO's suggestion that transfer fees matter that much. If those comments on Sky last night (i didn't see it) was 'club v club', then I understand NO's view. But if it was '11v11', then no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 OK. I agree with ON in that I don't think you can call Man U plucky underdogs precisely because they had a similar amount available for transfer fees to Man City and fucked it up. If you are happy to call Man U plucky underdogs simply because they're not as good then fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 If Man Utd are spunking £250m on Sanchez, Lukaku & Pogba then it’s their fault. City seem to shop in the £25-45m market...have they ever spent over £50m? Rare for the elite clubs these days. Man Utd should be a lot closer than what they are but bad transfer policy has cost them. Once again you're using transfer fees as an indicator to a player's ability. As I mentioned, this is overrated way to gauge a good measure of their ability. It’s about the club rather than the players ffs man. There was nothing stopping Man Utd going for a Laporte or a Walker or Van Dijk or Mane etc over the last 3 years or so. They’ve blown massively and yet are miles away from the clubs that got those players. They shouldn’t be starting a big derby match with Ashley fucking Young right-back and Smalling centre-back, but their inept spending has lead to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 If Man Utd are spunking £250m on Sanchez, Lukaku & Pogba then it’s their fault. City seem to shop in the £25-45m market...have they ever spent over £50m? Rare for the elite clubs these days. Man Utd should be a lot closer than what they are but bad transfer policy has cost them. Once again you're using transfer fees as an indicator to a player's ability. As I mentioned, this is overrated way to gauge a good measure of their ability. It’s about the club rather than the players ffs man. There was nothing stopping Man Utd going for a Laporte or a Walker or Van Dijk or Mane etc over the last 3 years or so. They’ve blown massively and yet are miles away from the clubs that got those players. They shouldn’t be starting a big derby match with Ashley fucking Young right-back and Smalling centre-back, but their inept spending has lead to it. Yeah.... erm, that's not what I was getting at. You're basically addressing their failings in the transfer market - that's nothing to do with the actual footballing abilities. (And as I mentioned, transfer fees are not a reliable measure) I didn't see the comment on Sky, but I would bet that when they labelled Man Utd as the underdogs, they meant it in terms of football ability, not resources of the club overall. That was certainly the angle I was approaching it from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 First leg of Atalanta vs Fiorentina was great, 2nd leg has started in the same way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Getafe vs Real on ITV4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Getafe vs Real on ITV4. Cheers neesy, hadn't realised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 If Man Utd are spunking £250m on Sanchez, Lukaku & Pogba then it’s their fault. City seem to shop in the £25-45m market...have they ever spent over £50m? Rare for the elite clubs these days. Man Utd should be a lot closer than what they are but bad transfer policy has cost them. Sanchez, Lukaku and Pogba cost £164m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Pogba & Lukaku cost that alone. You can’t call Alexis Sanchez a free just because he was part of a swap, closer to £200m then but point still stands. You could have simply sold Mkhitaryan and signed a right-back with that cash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Good to see the ox is back tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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